Minority

dstanggt50 said:

Are you serious, I doubt white's will become a minority, you really think we're going to get enough immagrants to change the white's to be the minority? this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

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i dont know if you have ever been to florida, new york, so cal, texas, or even southeast michigan, but if you have you may respect the point that ONE day in the future it is possible that the level could actually equal out between immigrants and americans.. if the goverment doesnt do anything..there are TONS of immigrants there..and they always seem to have like 10 kids

Affirmitive action

Engel said:

wheres the documentation that white people are already the minority? Knew that had to be bs.

The mexicans are pretty much the only thing US lets in after 911. Not just anyone can get into the US either.

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Dude, the ambassador of the Taliban just got a student visa and is currently studying at Yale. He had substandard scholastic scores but because of the Student Visa Lottery, and his ethnicity, his application was expedited.

This is a guy that was the international mouth piece for a regime that the United States overthrew. He advocated the killing of homosexuals, terrorist tactics, and chopping off of fingers for women that wore fingernail polish.

Its not hard to get into this country!

xc_myers_06 said:

why would i want to be a minority!

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so whites can finally jump in on that minority scholarship money to pay for that never ending college bill.

RFMustangGT said:

so whites can finally jump in on that minority scholarship money to pay for that never ending college bill.

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What an ignorant statement. Im not even gonna waste my time responding.


But on affirmative action, i think it should be setup for classes....not races. If a minority goes to a "rich white" school with all the bells and whistles, i dont think they need the "extra help" from affirmative action. Thats why i feel ANY kid that goes to a school that is in a bad area, should get the help. It doesnt make sense to have a black kid and white kid who live in the ghetto, yet are trying to get out, have the same grades, same activities, parents make the same money which isnt much at all, both go to the same piece of crap school and the black kid gets "help" and the white kid doesnt? If there is gonne be help given out...base it on class not on race. Although...most racial lines follow class lines. But there are exceptions to that.

it was not a serious statement to begin with. A friend of mine always says that as a joke. guess no one caught the hummor in it.

nmcgrawj said:

But on affirmative action, i think it should be setup for classes....not races. .

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ya thats funny you say that because that is the exact subject we had a discussion on back in high school. i can agree with that, but it just pisses me off when my cousin and a guy from high school didnt get in b/c basically they were white. my cousin had a 3.7 gpa 32 on the ACT's. the guy had a 3.8, 33 on the ACT's. both members of NHS and all that. then my good friend who is asian had like a 3.3 and cant remember what on the act's (maybe 26) and he got in..that is total



ohh yea but they both got in their sophmore year

nmcgrawj said:

What an ignorant statement. Im not even gonna waste my time responding.

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No its not. As a middle class white guy, with 55K in college loans to pay back, its not ignorant at all.

Tell that to my Fraternity brother who is black and GOT PAID 6000 dollars a year to go to engineering college. He bought a brand new 2004 Harley Davidson F150 his Junior year. By the way, his dad has 6 classic muscle cars in a heated garage independent from his house, which is about 3 times the size of mine. Hey, if I was in his shoes though, I'd do the same thing!

Financial aid should be based on merit. You want it, you work for it, you earn it. Bring your grades, bring your SATs, bring your ACTs, bring your AP scores. Being a minority or poor does not make you more deserving then the rich or the majority.

Adam

xc_myers_06 said:

yea you could just look at affirmative action and then the whites would benefit from it by being a minority i can't believe that crap is actually valid. That is B/S! its not my prob. that the average scores for minorities is lower then whites for instance. I don't know i mean you should look at ppl the same but diff races come from diff. cultures and are just diff. Such as physically we are exactly the same in about every way except pigment color. But mentally the beliefs are quite a bit diff. I still disagree with whites becoming the minority in america but that is my thought. Maybe all of them will come to America and i can move to Cancun. That works for me!

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Well the whole reason i think the "aide" is given to minorities is because of the past and how whites held minorities back. So who is to say when that it is even again? Will it ever be? I wonder how things would be if whites didnt do what they did in the past. I wonder how it would be if everyone was treated fairly with the same opportunities. That would be interesting. And yes, minorities can succeed. They do succeed. But for the average minority coming from a poor neighborhood, it is harder. Just like its harder for a white coming from the same neighborhood. But sometimes, not as hard.

But thats why i say look at the class...not the color of the person. To me it should be based off where u grow up at. U of M has a lot of arguing going on with the topic. Blacks do get "points" for their application. But so do people who are from the upper peninsula. And i wonder what the percentages are of whites/minorities of those students. All the ones i have met are white.

Black95GTS said:

No its not. As a middle class white guy, with 55K in college loans to pay back, its not ignorant at all.

Tell that to my Fraternity brother who is black and GOT PAID 6000 dollars a year to go to engineering college. He bought a brand new 2004 Harley Davidson F150 his Junior year. By the way, his dad has 6 classic muscle cars in a heated garage independent from his house, which is about 3 times the size of mine. Hey, if I was in his shoes though, I'd do the same thing!

Financial aid should be based on merit. You want it, you work for it, you earn it. Bring your grades, bring your SATs, bring your ACTs, bring your AP scores. Being a minority or poor does not make you more deserving then the rich or the majority.

Adam

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It IS ignorant to say that just because you are "white". And IMO its ignorant to say "HEY IM BLACK, GIVE ME HELP!" also. It goes both ways. Yea, some may not like how the system works right now, but guess what, the system has been screwed up for a longgggg time. It goes both ways. Both sides of the fence can complain about just as many things.


Thats why i went on to say its classes that matter. Forget your skin, where did u go to school? 1 parent home? Income? etc etc etc. These are the kind of things that i believe make the difference between students. Obviously your black friend didnt come from a under priveledged(sp) home. Therefore, he shouldnt be getting all that aide.

And im sorry, we'll agree to disagree, but being a minority(and guess whos in most poor areas) DOES make u more deserving. Why? Cause the rich white,black, asian whatever kids have more resources then you. They have better schools. Better "homes" to go home to. Better teachers. MORE chances to succeed. Where as in poor neighborhoods, there is non of that. A student coming from a poor neighborhood has the odds stacked against him. The playing field isnt level to being with. Just my opinion.


EDIT: when i say whites, i mean in general and mainly historically just so no one takes offense. Im mixed, half white/half black so i can see on both sides of the fence.

i don't think you two are talking about 2 differnent things, it looks like you have the same point.. (black95gt and nmcgrawj) which I agree on...

it's funny how that is totally turned around here at UCI, being a predominantly asian school, basically ANY other race will get in no matter what gpa/ap/sat scores.

I know a few smart asian people who didn't get in, while my bro (worse grades - but very good nonetheless 4.2+ decent sat) did... and we're "white"

Forgive me for not reading the either thread, and if I repeat anything, just ignore it. I don't think I'm going to repeat anyone because no one wants to be so blunt....

XC - First, you need to get the hell out of Nebraska and into the "real world." Nebraska is so far from the real world that it would make your head spin. Majority and minority status doesn't amount to a hill of **** until you actually surround yourself with the minority (blacks, spanish, etc.). I can say I didn't see too many "minorities" when I was out at the University of Nebraska and I believe the demographics of Nebraska would show that.

Secondly, who gives a rats ass what you are? If you haven't figured things out, I'll break it down a little.

Success in life is dependent upon your drive and your education. Educate yourself properly and you won't have anything to worry about, again, regardless of racial status.

I dont know many college educated people who have a "hard time" getting through life....

Joe

Joes95GT said:

Secondly, who gives a rats ass what you are? If you haven't figured things out, I'll break it down a little.

Success in life is dependent upon your drive and your education. Educate yourself properly and you won't have anything to worry about, again, regardless of racial status.

I dont know many college educated people who have a "hard time" getting through life....

Joe

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I agree with you Joe but being realistic its not always that easy. In your shoes yes. In mine yes again. But the fact is that kids in poor neighborhoods have it harder than kids in rich neighborhoods. Its 2 totally different worlds that are not equal. And the other thing is this...once whoever gets into school, the kids from the poor neighborhoods will be working to LIVE. Not to have money to blow on the weekend, to pay for schooling, to pay for rent, to pay for books. On top of their school schedule which takes up a ton of time depending on the school and area of study. Kids in rich neighborhoods dont have this kind of stress. And yes i know there are exceptions, but this is my "general" view from my experiences here at U of M.

We would all love it to be fair and equal so we could say its all up to you, but truth be told, there are A LOT of other factors involved. But still though, in my eyes being poor, being black, being white, being whatever is not an excuse not to succeed. Maybe a few extra steps have to be taken, but the point is that they can be taken and you have no excuse not to get it done.

xc_myers_06 said:

Affirmative Action is still b/s no matter how smart you are. A White person could score much higher on ACT/SAT and Higher GPA with a lot of diff. abilities and still get turned down for the minority who scored significantly lower on the ACT/SAT and Lower GPA with less abilites but yet the minority makes it in, that is b/s no matter what the circumstance. it is irrelevent!

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Yea but this is where my advantage comes in from being bi-racial. You gotta look at both sides of that fence. Not just the one u are standing on. Hopefully one day everything will be on a fair playing field. And u can bitch about the rules or the system today, but truth be told, the past action of some whites are why **** is today. Dont like it? Thats cool. There is A LOT of stuff minorities dont like either.

Its just like how minorities can get turned down because of them being a black or whatever. Its one thing if someone is NOT qualified to do the job and gets it because of their skin....its another if both participants are qualified. Shoot, i go through the good and the bad of being black and white at michigan. So ya aint gotta tell me whats "bs".


BTW, im not saying u're wrong, there is no wrong or right. Cause whats wrong to u is right to someone else. Its your view point. And with topics like this, u cant get stuck in your own view point.

nice subject matter man. Mexicans breed 3 times as fast as whites. In fact whites dont even breed enough to sustain our race. How does that make you feel? Mexicans bring to our country dirt cheap labor, poverty and drugs. As for blacks, all they do is commit crime and fill our prison systems. Im not saying white people aren't ****ed because they are to the fullest. People can call me a racist but all I have to do is pull up some charts showing statistics and then wham all they have is their opinion backing them. I find it funny that most people who call white guys racists for speaking their minds have no proof to back them whatsoever, its all emotions and whats "right" and "wrong"

Face it bro, in another 30 years our country will be little mexico. I hope you seriously enjoy speaking spanish because you will be the minority. Nobody has the right to tell you that you should not upset, you have every goddamn reason in the world. Anyone on this forum that lives near the border knows what I mean. I went to Palm springs last summer to visit my family and its flooded with Mexicans. Every night they would have helicopters flying over catching illegals hiding. It was insanity!! We went into a target and it was the most disgusting place I have ever been to. The floors were dirty, all the products werent even on their hangers... They were piled on the floor like a hurricane came through.

The conquistadors released "Mexicans" almost 100 years ago? All they did with their country is run it into the ground and fill their cities with crime and corruption. They see our country as the holy land, a place they can find work and make a living, boo hoo. In the end all that crime and corruption they created in their homeland is being brought over here, maybe you could call it a plague? All these people who are all butt hurt about making minorites feel equal and giving them a chance aren't going to appreciate it when they are surrounded by them, i guarentee it. Hell, the mexican military assists people in smuggling drugs over here and Bush doesnt give two ****s. The Cartel has bounties on the heads of governers in border cities that are trying to shut down the drug trafficing. Our country is rotting from the inside out and as I said before.........anyone who calls me a racist because I dislike minorites for valid reasons is an idiot and needs to read up.

Drew

And as for affirmative action, thats great to see that our country is fighting discrimination with discrimination. Makes a lot of sense to put the pressure on the white male and give minorites lower bars to jump over because of their skin color. durrrrrrrrrr

d347644 said:

nice subject matter man. Mexicans breed 3 times as fast as whites. In fact whites dont even breed enough to sustain our race. How does that make you feel? Mexicans bring to our country dirt cheap labor, poverty and drugs. As for blacks, all they do is commit crime and fill our prison systems. Im not saying white people aren't ****ed because they are to the fullest. People can call me a racist but all I have to do is pull up some charts showing statistics and then wham all they have is their opinion backing them. I find it funny that most people who call white guys racists for speaking their minds have no proof to back them whatsoever, its all emotions and whats "right" and "wrong"

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So whites dont bring drugs? How the hell did this country get started? All those things u complained about are exactly how whites got started years ago right? So now its so terrible that minorities do it...but ok for your great great great grand parents? Come on get real. In this country the odds are still stacked against the minority...is it an excuse? HELL NO. Is it a hurdle in some cases? Yup. I wonder if blacks would have come to this country....enslaved whites...and everything was reversed. What song would u be singing then Hmmmm.......

And another question....who gives jobs to these mexicans for dirt cheap labor?

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Face it bro, in another 30 years our country will be little mexico. I hope you seriously enjoy speaking spanish because you will be the minority. Nobody has the right to tell you that you should not upset, you have every goddamn reason in the world. Anyone on this forum that lives near the border knows what I mean. I went to Palm springs last summer to visit my family and its flodded with Mexicans. every night they would have helicopters flying over catching illegals hiding. It was insanity!! We went into a target and it was the most disgusting place I have ever been to. The floors were dirty, all the products werent even on their hangers... They were piled on the floor likea hurricane came through.

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While im not doubting what u say, comparing these southern areas at the borders to the WHOLE COUNTRY is not accurate.

d347644 said:

Our country is rotting from the inside out and as I said before.........anyone who calls me a racist because I dislike minorites for valid reasons is an idiot and needs to read up.

Drew

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And let me guess its the minorities that are rotting the country? What is so different between what whites did years ago and what minorities do today? Who owns the ports that bring drugs in? Who owns the boats? Who has all the money that makes the drug deals go down? I sure hope you're putting as much blame on whites as u are on minorities. Whites from the past are the ones that got this country started down this spiral of madness.

I wont call u a racist...u do enough of that yourself. Stats are stats. U can preach them all u want. But go around giving generalizations and it wont get u anywhere and thats the sad part. You are judging whole races based off stats. You can throw out all the bad stats u want but how about you focus on some positive. Focus on the good things that happen.


Let me ask this question, since minorities are so terrible, do u feel whites are superior? It sure as hell seems like it. All these actions u speak about from today and crap whites used to do...and some STILL do. So u dislike whites too right?

d347644 said:

And as for affirmative action, thats great to see that our country is fighting discrimination with discrimination. Makes a lot of sense to put the pressure on the white male and give minorites lower bars to jump over because of their skin color. durrrrrrrrrr

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So what is the fix then? Mind sharing it? How do u plan on fixing years of setbacks? The system is in no way perfect. It has PLENTY of flaws and works against itself sometimes. Improvements can be made. But i get the feeling that u feel like the white male is just an innocent victim. While he himself probably his, he has to pay for the history of his own race. Just like Blacks do every single day of their life. (a little generalizing goin on there)