More Power Basic Info Thread

[dutch5.0]

trickflow street or GT40 (93, 94-95 cobra, tubular, or even explorer)

 

[Dino Dino Bambino]

im looking for about 220-230 rwhp if the stock gt's get about 185 rwhp that kinda jump. most like i will not throw supercharger or turbo on anytime soon. I've always heard great things about edelbrock do you know what other intakes to compare with, that will give equal or greater proformance

The direct competition to the long-runner Performer intake (idle-5500rpm) are the GT40, TFS Street Burner, and the BBK SSI. None of them beats the Performer. A GT40 that's been ported by Tmoss would be comparable but then it would also cost just as much.
You'd have to step up to shorter-runner, higher-flowing intakes like the TFS Track Heat, Performer RPM II, and Holley Systemax II to gain more HP but that'll come at the cost of losing some low rev torque.

 

[final5-0]

back to basic basics. i was under the impression intake manifold was the way to go for a stock gt. then ppl started saying no thats adding tq not hp. then ppl said go with a chip. then no chip wont do anything without mods first. i need my car to be a dd so i cant do so much S*** that i get 3 mpg. i kinda need to stay where im at and get just enough more hp where im like " you got a stock motor you dont want it". so question would an intake manifold add that first little bit of noticable hp? and how much hp? and what kind is the best? . and if the chip is worth it for the mpg that it bumps you up by (2-4 im told but hey 26 mpg is better than 23). please dont talk cam, porting, 351w, ---> h/c/i <--( honestly i dont even know what that means) until the question posed has been highlighted. thank you and

Here is the deal with trying to help peeps who have little or no experience
when it comes to extracting more power from their Stang

They have nothing to reference to
or
You could say ... Their basic questions all boil down to .......

Whats it gonna be like when I bolt on all those hot rod parts

Me and wifee took trip and my little GT pulled 19mpg at a cruise of
80mph and that even included me showing a punk kid in a Camero my
horizontal t-lites who kept pestering us. I let off just past the century
mark so you know that had to suck a good bit of 93 Grade

I have no doubt at slower speeds it would get over 20mpg

So you see ... Good mileage with all that stuff I did

Now ... here is the rest of the story

Around town ... it really does suck down the fuel
but
I really don't care as I built it for a weekend toy only

Said all that to show ..........
If you can think long term and share that with everybody

They will give different advice based upon what you ask

Just as there was more to the fact ... I can pull 20mpg +

I'm gonna try and tell you .............
There is more ... WAY MORE to ........ just a bit more power :Word:

I think you are wise to see the significance of you got the confines
of dealing with a daily driver

btw ... h/c/i means heads cam intake manifold

With a daily driver and staying NA and a stick trans

I'd go along these lines .........

First mod would be 373's

Second mod would be an intake with the longest runner uppers such
as OEM Cobra, TFS Street Heat, Edel Performer

Third mod would be LT's and doing away with the restrictive OEM 4
cat mid pipe

To do all the above you DO NOT need a throttle body, or meter or inj's

A set of pulleys would boost up your torque
all the way across the power band

An ignition will do nothing for you

Roller rockers ... even an increased ratio of like 1.7 .........

dont expect but about 5 rwhp
so
the gain to buck spent is not too good

I just don't see a chip doing much for you in power or gas savings

You could swap mod 2 and 3 with no probs

I would go LT's over shortys because .......

Contrary to popular beliefe ... They hang no lower than shortys
They'll give you more low end and mid range torque than shortys

Go back to that chart and look at all those peeps with OEM
heads and cam to get an idea of what can be done

anywho ..........

With this method you won't need to tune the pcm
and
You can still use the OEM tb, meter, and inj's
but
You should upgrade the intank fuel pump cause the OEM pump is tiny

Here is a little example of what you would have with such a combo

Think of passing water down a 75 foot section of hose

You can pass more with 3/4 as opposed to 1/2 inch

With the above combo your intake and exhaust would be 3/4 inch
but
With the OEM heads and cam ... Well ... they be only 1/2 inch
but
If you find yourself wanting more

You can always take out the smaller section of 1/2 inch hose in the
middle by upgrading heads and cam thus making the entire combo
3/4 inch all the way which would mean more power

See ... All you gotta do is just ..........
hose around ... with stuff to start making more power

Grady

 

[Mr_302]

THANKS THATS ALOT OF HELP !


whats the skinny on super chargers? do they replace intakes? how do you know the right one for your car? CAn i ripe one off a boneiville some old lady's selling. what about the Eaton M90 Supercharger?


and how much hp gain?

 

[final5-0]

THANKS THATS ALOT OF HELP !


whats the skinny on super chargers? do they replace intakes? how do you know the right one for your car? CAn i ripe one off a boneiville some old lady's selling. what about the Eaton M90 Supercharger?


and how much hp gain?

Glad something said here makes some kinda sense

The deal with blowers is they make a bunch of power
but
Just like makin a bunch of power NA

It is so very important to have an idea about what will happen if you
go for the big power :Word:

If you only got one car to play with (daily driver) .......
I'd tell you to do your research well

I'd love to get all involved with talkin blowers and it would be great
if those who have done em would offer input al well

Lemme know if ya'll wanna go there

Grady

 

[Dino Dino Bambino]

Your long posts and smilies are killing me Grady.

 

[final5-0]

Your long posts and smilies are killing me Grady.

Well ... Ya just gotta know it by now

I started this dad gum thread for the NOOBS
or
Folk not very far along in this hobby we all love

I really thought they would jump all over it
and
We would have experienced folk contribute their findings

But ... I guess a lot of em are a bit skeered to speak up
and
I can understand why
but
Us old timer members know that

All that childish flamin & other juvinille behavior just don't happen here :Word:

Besides ... You can offer plenty of good stuff
but
They gotta ask first

opcorn:

How's that? ... Mo Betta

Grady

 

[Chythar]

Maybe folks just don't have the $$$$ for their projects, or like me aren't ready to add more power to their Stang yet. From my POV, your insights and knowledge are really appreciated (along with everyone else's input), but learning before I'm ready to use the knowledge means it won't stick and I'll have to learn again.

 

[tomdalrymple]

Couple of questions from somebody that just discovered this thread.

I'm building up a 302 for a Miata. I have Ford X306 aluminum heads and the Ford E303 cam. I also have Cobra 1.7 roller rockers. Is this a commonly done combination and will be ok, or will I see a short life of the valve train components?

Has anybody run one of the Comp Polymer box intakes? I'm interested due to weight savings. I know they hurt the bottom end, but I've never seen numbers. I'd like to know how bad are they.