DBMSTNG said:
i never said you couldn't make 500 with the P1, it's just very hard to do. unlike the S trim. the P1 is pretty much maxed out at 500 whereas the S trim has gone well over the 600 mark.
Well you pretty much insinuated such by issuing a quote from Tims partner that he has never seen a 500rwhp P1 setup. Please don't deny that. Then you question Gearbanger by asking if he thinks Tims partner is a liar. All I pointed out was that I have seen a 500 rwhp P1, and not to call me a liar. If you want to compare 8-12# kits, generally the P1 will make more power. Please take note, that I say generally, not an absolute fact like you are claiming. I learned years ago, there is no such thing as an absolute fact other than the two we all know. One being we all die sometime, and the second we will pay taxes. Other than that it is pigheaded and ignorant for anyone to claim it is an absolute fact. Hopefully you are not claiming that you are pigheaded and ignorant.
they can disagree all they want, but at the end of the day, a fact is a fact. the P1 cannot make as much power as the S trim.
Here you go again, claiming absolute fact. It is your opinion, and until I hear it from some higher being, then it cannot be an absolute fact and you have no way to back up that you are the right person to claim it is an absolute fact.
my peak power is at 5500rpm. i make 8-9psi at 5500rpm depending on the temps. i make peak boost at 6000rpm. after 5500rpm, they HP goes flat then takes an ever so small dip down.
I am surprised that you are still building boost, but then going flat. No saying it isn't true. I know from my own personal experience, my GT made power right through redline on a 3.33 pully.
most of that is attributed to the increased timing thanks to the intercooler. the gear ratio in the blower does help some too.
If we are talking about torque, it is partially true, but from y experiences, the stepup ration has much more to do with the TQ numbers being so much better than the S-trim. With the 4.10 stepup, you are seeing more boost earlier in the rpm band than the S-trim, which is where TQ is made. You can make similar peark HP numbers, but I will take a 35-50 lb.ft of TQ advantahe anytime.
huh? please tell me where i sold it short? i stated nothing but FACTS. the P1 is maxed out at about 500rwhp. FACT. the S trim can go over 600rwhp. FACT. the P1 has had seal problems. FACT. it's not as good as the S trim in terms of power or reliability/durability. FACT.
Here you go again, quoting what you think as facts. You did not state an P1 is maxed out at 500rwhp, you stated that it could not be done. I claimed I had seen it with my own two eyes.
Reliability? Where is it fact the P1 is not as reliable as an S-trim. I have seen both of them break. That is as bad as the P1 guys claiming the P1 is much better than the S-trim because you don't have to punch a hole in the oil pan. Here again, it is my opinion this is a bogus argument, but would never have the stones to claim FACT!!
Yes, the P1 has had seal issues, but then again, the S-trim kit when it first came out for the 99's and years following, had all sorts of issues with the idler pully it supplied. It took almost 2 years, possibly three to get that corrected, and many people were down because of it. I am not sure, but I think Vortech is on gen 3 of the idler issue.
Again, until you can prove to me it is a fact, something that I do not believe you could do, because you think (sorry Tim, not meant as an insult) whatever Tim and the guys at MPH feel are the facts, then your argument is jaded and senseless.
Bottom line, choosing a power adder is a personal choice, and if they are setup correctly, they will both do the job. I happen to approach things with an open mind, and not take one persons word as FACT!, something you are so inclined to do.
These arguments have gone on for years, just like which power adder is better, or from my older days of modding, which carb. is better or is fule injection so much better than a carb. These differing opinions will always be there, and it comes to choice. I like Chocolate, you like Vanilla. Does that make either one better than the other . . . Nope. But I will never claim for a FACT! that Chocolate is better than Vanilla.
Peace.
(unless you agreed with him) . Tim knows what the heck he is talking about...I can back that up from personally talking to the guy and seeing his work.
, let the guy tune your car and you will see what I mean. Then just look around his shop as he starts telling you what each car makes and whats its got, ect. Like freegin everything there makes between 400 and 1000...one could make 1300. Its crazy and gives you this undescribable feeling and motovation. 
Opinions are just that, opinions. And i too never take anyones opinions as absolute truth, since we are all humans and are not perfect. I DO however respect certain peoples opinions much more than others, and would be willing to go the route Tim suggests W/O looking into it myself....just basically saying i wouldnt put my life on the line for anyones opnions, but as far as one combo being better than another...ill take Tims word on it.
Juts like freegin 300BHP and gearbanger. Freaking 1000 word posts lol. And you can never win because if you try they will just come back and pick apart every word (and each post doubles in size 
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