RedGTvert said:LOL! desciple of Gearbanger? Heck, I don't even like the guy.
No sir.The base ATI kit with cooler will usually put out more power because of the cooler.Kinda like anytime we add a cooler to a Vortech kit it makes more power.Gearbanger 101 said:You have a little something on your nose there.
So Tim, can you honestly say that your S-Trim based Mongoose kit being run at 8psi as advertised will wipe the floor with a comparable P-1SC making the same level of boost? How do you explain the fact that there are numerous guys on here making in the 390rwhp area with the ATI kits at this level, where the S-Trim based Mongoose guys are usually topping out at about 20-30hp less than that?
I realize that the additon of the intercooler on the Procharger kits has to put it at an advantage, but the original question was one versus the other, not the Vortech with the addition of the aftercooler vs the stock Procharger.
some poeple like hotmustangs331 think you are, really if you needed a bj all you'd have to do is take a trip to bastropcobra killer said:He is correct to be honest.Everyone has an opinion and is entilted to it.Noone was "owned" because I made a comment.I'm not God,and Im not always right.I try not to open my mouth unless I can prove what I m saying so I dont look like an idiot.
We'll to be honest thats great that they do.We do stand behind our customers and cars 100% so the loyalty is appreciated.We don't mislead anyone nor put money infront of honesty.Thats probably why we have 42 cars here and our phones ring off the hook.tomustang said:some poeple like hotmustangs331 think you are, really if you needed a bj all you'd have to do is take a trip to bastrop
RedGTvert said:Well you pretty much insinuated such by issuing a quote from Tims partner that he has never seen a 500rwhp P1 setup. Please don't deny that.
RedGTvert said:All I pointed out was that I have seen a 500 rwhp P1, and not to call me a liar.
RedGTvert said:If you want to compare 8-12# kits, generally the P1 will make more power.
RedGTvert said:I learned years ago, there is no such thing as an absolute fact other than the two we all know. One being we all die sometime, and the second we will pay taxes. Other than that it is pigheaded and ignorant for anyone to claim it is an absolute fact. Hopefully you are not claiming that you are pigheaded and ignorant.
RedGTvert said:Here you go again, claiming absolute fact. It is your opinion, and until I hear it from some higher being, then it cannot be an absolute fact and you have no way to back up that you are the right person to claim it is an absolute fact.
RedGTvert said:I am surprised that you are still building boost, but then going flat. No saying it isn't true. I know from my own personal experience, my GT made power right through redline on a 3.33 pully.
RedGTvert said:If we are talking about torque, it is partially true, but from y experiences, the stepup ration has much more to do with the TQ numbers being so much better than the S-trim. With the 4.10 stepup, you are seeing more boost earlier in the rpm band than the S-trim, which is where TQ is made. You can make similar peark HP numbers, but I will take a 35-50 lb.ft of TQ advantahe anytime.
RedGTvert said:Here you go again, quoting what you think as facts. You did not state an P1 is maxed out at 500rwhp, you stated that it could not be done. I claimed I had seen it with my own two eyes.
RedGTvert said:Reliability? Where is it fact the P1 is not as reliable as an S-trim. I have seen both of them break. That is as bad as the P1 guys claiming the P1 is much better than the S-trim because you don't have to punch a hole in the oil pan. Here again, it is my opinion this is a bogus argument, but would never have the stones to claim FACT!!
Yes, the P1 has had seal issues, but then again, the S-trim kit when it first came out for the 99's and years following, had all sorts of issues with the idler pully it supplied. It took almost 2 years, possibly three to get that corrected, and many people were down because of it. I am not sure, but I think Vortech is on gen 3 of the idler issue.
RedGTvert said:Again, until you can prove to me it is a fact, something that I do not believe you could do, because you think (sorry Tim, not meant as an insult) whatever Tim and the guys at MPH feel are the facts, then your argument is jaded and senseless.
Bottom line, choosing a power adder is a personal choice, and if they are setup correctly, they will both do the job. I happen to approach things with an open mind, and not take one persons word as FACT!, something you are so inclined to do.
These arguments have gone on for years, just like which power adder is better, or from my older days of modding, which carb. is better or is fule injection so much better than a carb. These differing opinions will always be there, and it comes to choice. I like Chocolate, you like Vanilla. Does that make either one better than the other . . . Nope. But I will never claim for a FACT! that Chocolate is better than Vanilla.
Peace.
RedGTvert said:LOL! desciple of Gearbanger? Heck, I don't even like the guy.
I realize that. I use the term in it's generic sense.4u2nv said:Not all participants are male.
Yep, and probably not much else of value to be added.4u2nv said:On a serious note and fecal matter aside, there is a lot of good insight here and those reading can hopefully get some perspective on FI alternatives.
jimfitzgerald said:Damn guys, give it up. This thread is done. :Zip2:
That's understandable.DBMSTNG said:i'm sorry, but i have to respond to personal attacks, especially when i'm right.
hotmustang331 said:And TOMUSTANG...This home boy dont play that game. Im in the middle of eating grits for crying out loud!...and your not helping
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