Mustang audiophiles, get in here. Please?

reddy351 · Aug 18, 2006

Hey guys. I hope this is the place to post this type of question. For my 1994 Mustang, I have a pair of 6.5" "midbass" speakers and a pair of 5.25" JBL's. I want to use both in the front of the car and have no idea where to put them. I figure the 6.5 can go in the OE location. I am kinda stuck on where to mount the JBL's, though. I need them to kinda face the front seats AND they need to be high enough to make a front soundstage.
I can mount the 5.25's in the OE location for a decent soundstage but, then where do I mount those big ole 6.5's?
HELP!!!!!

The Green GT · Aug 18, 2006

This maybe?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-e0tADU...b=morephotos&a=&s=0&cc=01&g=182850#morephotos

reddy351 · Aug 18, 2006

I was looking at those. Looks like it would get in the way of the "dead pedal". I like to rest my foot there, when driving. I wonder how much space there is behind the kick panel. I'd like to figure out a way to put the 6.5's down there. I think those only hold up to a 6" driver. I could buy different drivers, I guess. The audio in this car is as important to me as top hp numbers to guys on the "tech" side. Not particularly "loud" just like a live concert. Difficult to do.

badstang123 · Aug 18, 2006

I run the Q-logic kick panels. They are really great for imaging in a system. I actually have the exact same setup you plan on doing. I have MB Quart 5.25" speakers in the kicks and 6.5" Ascendant Audio Poly Mids for my midbass in the doors. I just used a MDF ring as a replacement for the stock 5x7 ring to mount them.

I love it but there isn't really a place to put your foot. Driving with it there takes some getting used to too. It works great for me though.

By the way, you are far better off using the kicks for your components and the midbass speakers in the doors. The frequencies you want pointed straight at you will come from the kics. You will also get much more bass out of the 6.5's in the doors, which is what you want them for.
- Justin

badstang123 · Aug 18, 2006

I don't have any pictures of the kicks on my cardomain right now. Here's the midbass in the doors and how I mounted the tweeters for the components.

reddy351 · Aug 19, 2006

Yup. The 6.5's in the door would make a lot more sense. Doesn't the 5.25 fire right into your leg? I'll bet it's not as bad as firing into your leg on a horizontal axis, like the door location.

Do you have a tracing of the mdf panels that you made for the doors? What thickness is it?

This is going to be sweet! I'm sick and tired of the 5x7's. No matter what I do, they are muddy in the 2k-4k range. Yuk!

Thanks for the input!

badstang123 · Aug 19, 2006

I don't have anything that I traced for the panels. I used the stock plastic ring and adjusted accordingly. Just try and follow them as much as you can while still having room for the 6.5". If you get to far from it you'll have trouble getting the door panel on. I made them with 3/4" in MDF. Also make sure to use silicone or a soft clay to ensure a good seal of the MDF to the door. This alongside proper deadening will make for an extremely tight and stong midbass.

I like this writeup for deadening:
http://www.raamaudio.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?p=ht

Having the 5.25" in the kick panels is great for imaging. I thought it gave a much more full sound than having them in the doors. I have a friend with them in the doors and it just doesn't seem to have the same in your face, strength of sound. In addition, the airspace within the door (If deadened properly) is far better to really bring out your midbass. If you have any other questions let me know.
- Justin

reddy351 · Aug 20, 2006

Cool! I appreciate it! I think that the lack of sound deadening could be what's causing the muddyness, now. That AND I'm expecting the 5x7 (Pioneer) to do the work that, for proper sound, requires two drivers. Since you highly recommend the Q-logics, I'll work on getting a pair of them. Thanks for the info!

badstang123 · Aug 20, 2006

reddy351 said:
Since you highly recommend the Q-logics, I'll work on getting a pair of them. Thanks for the info!

It's the only way to do an effective 3-way setup in our cars. I don't know if you have much choice if I recommend them or not Just remember if you have a stick, you will lose some foot room near the clutch pedal. And it will take some time to get used to.

reddy351 · Aug 21, 2006

It's an auto.

mo_dingo · Aug 21, 2006

Just an idea. What about under the dash on both sides, with the speakers facing down?

You would need to make a custom mounting for it, as well as an enclosure, but I think you could get it to fit (maybe more difficult on the passenger side.
Scott

badstang123 · Aug 21, 2006

mo_dingo said:
Just an idea. What about under the dash on both sides, with the speakers facing down?

You would need to make a custom mounting for it, as well as an enclosure, but I think you could get it to fit (maybe more difficult on the passenger side.
Scott

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mo_dingo · Aug 21, 2006

badstang123 said:
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Shall I take pictures?????

Zero Signal · Aug 21, 2006

If you are talking about low midbasses that would be ok but for anything over 200Hz, you will lose the highs.

badstang123 · Aug 22, 2006

I would not recommend that type of application except for 80 Hz and below (Subwoofer range). That is the frequency that most consider to be the point where location becomes less distinguishable and direction becomes of little consequence. Alternatively, looking at midbass which ranges from about 80 Hz up to 500 Hz you will lose a lot by installing in this way. It will destroy imaging, cause unnecessary reflections and diminish the effectiveness of the frequencies the speaker emits. Have you ever seen a home speaker designed to point down as opposed to at you, except for a subwoofer? I give you an A+ for creativeness, but do not agree with the idea at all. At least for midbass. For I sub I have considered this. It's just not practical because of the space available in our cars.

turbogt · Aug 22, 2006

badstang123 · Aug 22, 2006

turbogt said:

That interior is gorgeous. Did you buy the trim pieces brushed aluminum like that or did you paint them?

Indy Mike · Aug 24, 2006

Just take the 5x7's turn them over face don on the board and trace arount the outside that is what i did worked well.

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