My 351W Needs More Power!! Any Windsor Experts??

96whitecobra · Apr 7, 2008

It's getting closer to summer and I need a little more speed. If you guys read through my sig, you'd probably be able to guess better than I could as far as the power I currently have. I'd prob. guess in the neighborhood of 325 or so ponies, (edit: based on the other cars I've had such as a stock 96 cobra and 95 gt with full boltons, but no H/C/I swap), and I'd really love to get close to that 400 number.

I had thoughts of a different performance intake, the one I have now is a ported 94-95 cobra intake with gt-40 lower. Any suggestions on maybe swapping that out for something? Any way to add 50+ hp's with an intake/tb swap?

parchisi · Apr 7, 2008

That intake probably is a choking point for airflow, but I don't know if it will get you 50 more hp. Also, ditch that alphabet cam and get a custom ground one. That plus a better intake will probably get you at least 50 hp. Don't forget to upgrade those injectors too.

BlackVert · Apr 7, 2008

better intake + better cam + 3.73 gears =

Pokageek · Apr 7, 2008

BlackVert said:
better intake + better cam + 3.73 gears =

I totally agree with Chris. Match it all up better and I bet you could get what you want. You need to PM a guy like Rick91GT. He can tell you what to ditch and what to keep.

96whitecobra · Apr 8, 2008

Where's a good place to get a good custom cam and what type of $$ am I looking at for that?

For gears, the 3.55's already seem to wrap it out pretty quick, I'm not completely sure I'd want be shifting any more than I already am, unless the intake and cam would help the higher RPM power
Would 3.73's really have that noticable of difference in performance?

95WhiteVenom · Apr 8, 2008

Ed Cutris @
www.flowtechinduction.com

BlackVert · Apr 8, 2008

oh ... sorry, i was assuming you were on 3.27s or 2.73s ... never mind about the gears.

Pokageek · Apr 8, 2008

Yes I think they would. For example, out of 4th you are shifting at 120 instead of 130+..from there you can tell it would scoot up the rpm much faster.

trav_19 · Apr 8, 2008

easiest way nitrous ....just do a small shot if thats all you want

96whitecobra · Apr 8, 2008

trav_19 said:
easiest way nitrous ....just do a small shot if thats all you want

Yeah, I guess I kinda forgot abouts da juice...kinda always been a little scared of the stuff, figure I may like it too much and blow some stuff up or something

trav_19 · Apr 8, 2008

with a 351 you can safely run a 125 shot.....use a wet setup and your fine just make sure your motor is in good running order and maybe keep your mixture a little rich ...and your golden i tell you once you start spraying your hooked

Venom351R · Apr 8, 2008

parchisi said:
That intake probably is a choking point for airflow, but I don't know if it will get you 50 more hp. Also, ditch that alphabet cam and get a custom ground one. That plus a better intake will probably get you at least 50 hp. Don't forget to upgrade those injectors too.

This is what Im doing. Im stuck with a Cobra intake and I have Trick FLow R on its way to me. Im also ........

95WhiteVenom said:
Ed Cutris @
www.flowtechinduction.com

Having Ed grind me a custom cam. Im going to get as close to 400 RWHP as possible N/A I hate nitrous its cheating. Anyone can throw tons of Nitrous at an engine and make good power but doing it N/A says a lot more. I have a few more ideas up my sleeve after the cam and Intake swap.

trav_19 · Apr 9, 2008

Redline_351R said:
This is what Im doing. Im stuck with a Cobra intake and I have Trick FLow R on its way to me. Im also ........

Having Ed grind me a custom cam. Im going to get as close to 400 RWHP as possible N/A I hate nitrous its cheating. Anyone can throw tons of Nitrous at an engine and make good power but doing it N/A says a lot more. I have a few more ideas up my sleeve after the cam and Intake swap.

lol i got nothing to prove ....i will use nitrous its fun and effective ....i dont need to use it i got power on tap but why not ....i love reading these die hard fans of N/A ...i just ask why...

rj95svt · Apr 9, 2008

I agree with everyone here about the custom cam and better intake combo. When you do this though your going to need a bigger injector and a custom tune. You are probably getting close to the 24lb injectors limits the way it is now.

reddy351 · Apr 9, 2008

trav_19 said:
lol i got nothing to prove ....i will use nitrous its fun and effective ....i dont need to use it i got power on tap but why not ....i love reading these die hard fans of N/A ...i just ask why...

I agree. I would LOVE to spray mine. I don't like the idea of a $40-$50 bottle re-fill. Especially if I don't have the $50 to spare. (Would be REALLY bad meeting-up with a guy I'd beaten the night before, when I did still have juice. Unless I managed to take some $$$ from HIM to pay for the bottle.)

Venom351R · Apr 9, 2008

trav_19 said:
lol i got nothing to prove ....i will use nitrous its fun and effective ....i dont need to use it i got power on tap but why not ....i love reading these die hard fans of N/A ...i just ask why...

Just personally I dont like it, its fine for anyone else who wants to use it but its just not for me. Ive gone the supercharger route before so now Im going to see what I can do N/A

Black95GTS · Apr 9, 2008

96whitecobra said:
It's getting closer to summer and I need a little more speed. If you guys read through my sig, you'd probably be able to guess better than I could as far as the power I currently have. I'd prob. guess in the neighborhood of 325 or so ponies, (edit: based on the other cars I've had such as a stock 96 cobra and 95 gt with full boltons, but no H/C/I swap), and I'd really love to get close to that 400 number.

I had thoughts of a different performance intake, the one I have now is a ported 94-95 cobra intake with gt-40 lower. Any suggestions on maybe swapping that out for something? Any way to add 50+ hp's with an intake/tb swap?

Sweet sassy molassey, this is a classic case of 302 parts making 302 power. Ditch the e-cam, the 1.72s, the cobra intake, and I don't know what you're running for edelbrock heads but ditch those unless they are Victor Jrs or HEAVILY worked RPMs.

A custom grind cam and a Victor EFI intake / 75mm TB would be my first order of business. You'll have to change injectors and MAF... if you don't have to already.

Before I get all fired up and start spending your money, what is your budget?

Adam

96whitecobra · Apr 10, 2008

Black95GTS said:
Sweet sassy molassey, this is a classic case of 302 parts making 302 power. Ditch the e-cam, the 1.72s, the cobra intake, and I don't know what you're running for edelbrock heads but ditch those unless they are Victor Jrs or HEAVILY worked RPMs.

A custom grind cam and a Victor EFI intake / 75mm TB would be my first order of business. You'll have to change injectors and MAF... if you don't have to already.

Before I get all fired up and start spending your money, what is your budget?

Adam

Oh, I dunno, I'll probably be getting about a grand back for my tax refund, and I don't really see why I wouldn't want to spend most of that plus another $500 or so in slush money I've got, so around $1500 maybe? Problem is, I don't have the time or expertise to do much of the tooling myself, so I'll be paying labor as well.

The guy I bought the car from did all the engine mods to date, but I know there's tons more potential, it really doesn't feel much faster than a 302 sometimes. What's the most damage I can do with $1500 (including labor)? What would you do first?

Venom351R · Apr 10, 2008

96whitecobra said:
The guy I bought the car from did all the engine mods to date, but I know there's tons more potential, it really doesn't feel much faster than a 302 sometimes. What's the most damage I can do with $1500 (including labor)? What would you do first?

First off Id ditch the Cobra intake for something a lot better.

Black95GTS · Apr 10, 2008

Do you have to pass emissions? TFS Box R intake / Victor EFI intake and a 75mm / 70mm throttle body to start.

At that point you'll be pushing the 24s to the limit so you'll have to start in on a tune, MAF, and injectors.

Say 1000 for the intake and TB brand new plus 500 for the install right there. An intake and TB install can be accomplished with a Craftsmen socket set, shop vac, some screw drivers, and a timing light so you you could save the 500 and put that towards some 42 pound injectors and a lightning MAF so that you have room to grow into your 351 down the road.

Adam

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