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Recently purchased an '86 LX with 26k original miles (really).

When I purchased it (at an estate sale) I knew the heater core needed to be replaced (famous coolant stain in the passenger floorboard). It ran rough (rich) and brakes were trash. It's basically sat for 15+ years so throw in tires and a bazillion other problems as well. Got the brakes going (for the most part but still have some work to do).

Dropped the fuel tank, emptied out the bad gas, replaced the fuel pump, fuel filter, and fuel injectors. Threw in some fuel system cleaner (chevron). Checked the air filter (clean). Cleaned out the fuel rail. The car still runs the same. Plugs are heavily carbon fouled (cleaned them up and put them back in).

The car acts like it has a cam (but doesn't - entire car is original). At idle it struggles not to die. Give it a little gas to keep it running. After it's hot, it will die at idle without gas. Black smoke out the exhaust.

I finally drove it about 7-8 miles yesterday. Once it gets over 1500 rpm's and I push the gas pedal in more than ~5% it runs ok. Less than 5% pedal it bogs and jerks.

I checked for vacuum lines not being plugged in yesterday. I think they all are.

The only thing I can think of is possibly the throttle body is stuck. So, at idle, it's starving for air. But, if I get into the gas it pushes open. Is there anyway to test this?

Anybody have any better ideas?


When
 

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I would put new plugs in, just to eliminate that. Then follow the surging idle checklist. It will clear up a lot of issues besides surging.
 
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At the lenght of time sitting and dry-rotting, I would build a smoke machine and smoke test everything. These 86-88 speed density cars are VERY sensitive to vacuum leaks
 
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New video · Thursday, Apr 21, 2022

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Here is a video of it running

I replaced the TPS, did a smoke test for leaking vacuum lines, and confirmed the IAC is functioning (I started it with it unplugged and then plugged it in and noticed a significant difference).

It still bogs down when I push the gas pedal and idle sounds like it has a cam with black smoke (rich).
 
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Here is another video

Any ideas is greatly appreciated.
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
At the lenght of time sitting and dry-rotting, I would build a smoke machine and smoke test everything. These 86-88 speed density cars are VERY sensitive to vacuum leaks
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Yeah, I did a hand pump sucking on a cigarette. I'm assuming that is enough smoke. I didn't see anything. I've felt around all the vacuum lines I can see and made sure they were there. Vacuum leak was my gut but just can't prove it yet.
 
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Cheapskate207 said:
I would put new plugs in, just to eliminate that. Then follow the surging idle checklist. It will clear up a lot of issues besides surging.
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I wasn't familiar with this checklist. Thanks a lot. I've been going down the list.
 
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Hardwerk said:
I wasn't familiar with this checklist. Thanks a lot. I've been going down the list.
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That checklist will help you a lot. Follow it step by step.
 

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Also, check out brew2l’s video on YouTube detailing how to make an awesome diy smoke machine. It works excellent.
 
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Cheapskate207 said:
Also, check out brew2l’s video on YouTube detailing how to make an awesome diy smoke machine. It works excellent.
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That’s the one with a cigar right? That’s the one I copied except I used a cigarette.
 

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No, the “mr.fusion”.

View: https://youtu.be/crc6CJ_ni2w
 
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No, the “mr.fusion”.

View: https://youtu.be/crc6CJ_ni2w
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That's awesome. Thanks.
 

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The mr fusion is definitely worth building. I found a ton of minor vac leaks on my car with mine
 
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The mr fusion is definitely worth building. I found a ton of minor vac leaks on my car with mine
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You built it exactly as Brew2l did? I loved that video when he put it up, but I never gathered the parts to build it. Need to do that one of these days.
 

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02 sensors? Scan for codes?
 

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You built it exactly as Brew2l did? I loved that video when he put it up, but I never gathered the parts to build it. Need to do that one of these days.
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Yup. Same way. It’s quite effective.
 
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02 sensors? Scan for codes?
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I took it to autozone to read the codes but they didn’t have a reader for such an old car. The kid told me it couldn’t be an LX if it had a V8 so I’m going to try a different store. ‍

How can I check the O2 sensors? I have a set of new catalytic converters.
 

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Auto zone sells the odb1 scanner for cheap. If you’re going to own one of these cars it would be a good investment. Alternately, you could manually dump the codes and count the flashes. I’m not familiar with the procedure but I can be found here, on stangnet.

If the o2 sensors are “bad” it will throw a code.
 

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Electrical - How To Pull Codes From EEC-IV In 86- 95 5.0 Mustangs

@Noobz347 - The code dump procedure isn't in the sticky - you may want to add it... Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on. Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is...
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86-88 doesnt have a check engine light to flash the codes. You need to rig in a test light, or buy a OBD1 reader like the Innova 3145
 
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