no power but power ?????

cam91

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I just bought a 91 5.0 last week really nice car ran good, I brought it home and took it for a cruise was turning around on a dirt rd stalled it and couldnt get it to start again so after 20 mins of trying to get it to run i towed it home left it for the night. The next day i started ripping stuff apart i took all the stereo equipment out figuring maybe it was too much of a load on the battery to start it. in my haste I took the wire for the alt off the selinoid thinking it was for the stereo and lone behold it started so i drove it and noticed i was losing battery power so i took it home and seen what i had done. I hooked it back up charged the battery and it was still losing volts I left it running and took the positive off the battery terminal and it dies youd think the alt rite well i dunno cause now the battery is staying charged when i drive it just has very low volts car runs good pulls fine but if it stalls it will not start again unless i screw with it for 20 mins then it fires rite up and does it all over again. im so confused youd think the battery would get drained from running the car on just the battery but every time i go to charge it my charger says its fully charged. ive been racking my brain for days trying to figure this out :censored:any help would be awesome thanks
 
Never remove the battery cable on a computer-controlled car that's running.

Assuming it would not crank before, agreed with going over the battery, solenoid and ground connections.
 
Couple of things come to mind....

The diode in the alternator is bad... it'll charge while running but the battery tries to motor it with engine off, draining the battery.

You may have an intermittent ignition problem... PiP or maybe TFI


When the car stalls and refuses to start... Does the fuel pump prime? If not, it could be that your in-tank pump has a dead spot. It get's warm, stops, won't begin to roll. If that's the case, that pump will pull a lot of amps while attempting to run. Will often run right as rain when it's had time to sit.


I'll repeat what others have said about pulling the battery cable while running. Great way to let the smoke out of the computer.
 
Well thanks for the tip about the battery cable guys I had no idea this is the first "new/computerized" car ive ever worked on. the battery doesnt drain thats the thing I unhook it when i shut the car off so it wont drain it. if i hook it back up it will start fine but if im out and i stall the car after 20 mins of driving it wont start again unless i jump it or screw with it for 20 mins. it just doesnt make any sense to me you think the battery would be drained or something ? yeah the pump primes ever time I have enough power to run all my lights and stereo but if i put the turn signal on it puts a draw on my system and drops my volts. I dunno guys it just seems weird to me Ill go try the pip and the tfi. you think maybe it would be a selinoid problem ? thanks for all the help guys
 
Does it crank but not start? We were assuming that it would not crank. Clarification is needed.
 
No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs

Revised 05-Oct-2010 to update Fluke references.

No crank. slow crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are grouped together.
Use the same initial group of tests to find the root cause of both no crank and stuck solenoid problems.

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…


1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery for low charge and dead cells. A good battery will measure 12-13 volts at full charge with the ignition switch in the Run position but without the engine running.
A voltmeter placed across the battery terminals should show a minimum of 9.5-10 volts when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position and the starter engages or tries to engage. Less than this will result in a clicking solenoid, or slow cranking (if it cranks at all) or a starter solenoid that sticks and welds the contacts together.

Most auto parts stores will check your battery for free. It does not have to be installed in the car to have it checked; you can carry it with you to the auto parts store.

The battery posts and inside of the battery post terminals should be scraped clean with a knife or battery post cleaner tool. This little trick will fix a surprising number of no start problems.

The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a know problem causer. Any place you see green on a copper wire is corrosion. Corrosion gets in the clamped joint and works its way up the wire under the insulation. Corroded connections do not conduct electricity well. Avoid them like the plague...

If the starter solenoid welds the contacts, then the starter will attempt to run anytime there is power in the battery. The cables and solenoid will get very hot, and may even start smoking. The temporary fix for a welded starter solenoid is to disconnect the battery and smack the back of the solenoid housing a sharp blow with a hammer. This may cause the contacts to unstick and work normally for a while.

A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .5 volts across a connection indicates a problem.

See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .

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2.) Check the battery to engine block ground down near the oil filter, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall. All grounds should be clean and shiny. Use some sandpaper to clean them up.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter solenoid next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

The rest of the tech note only concerns no crank problems. If your problem was a stuck solenoid, go back to step 1.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (small red/blue wire) off the starter solenoid (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it cranks, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.

Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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6.) Pull the starter and take it to AutoZone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang
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Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
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Electrical checks for the switches and starter solenoid

Remove the small red/blue wire from the starter solenoid. Use a screwdriver to bridge the connection from the battery positive connection on the starter solenoid to the small screw where the red/blue wire was connected. The starter should crank the engine. If it does not, the starter solenoid is defective.

If the starter does crank the engine, the problem is in the clutch safety circuit (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) or ignition switch.


Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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You will need a voltmeter or test lamp for the rest of the checks. Connect one lead of the voltmeter or test lamp to ground. The other lead will connect to the item under test.
Look for 12 volts on the white/pink wire when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position. Check the ignition switch first.
No 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.

The next step will require you to push the clutch pedal to the floor (5 speed) or put the transmission in neutral (auto trans) while the ignition switch is turned to the Start position.
Good 12 volts, check the clutch safety switch (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) for good 12 volts on both sides of the switches. No 12 volts on both sides of the switch and the switches are defective or out of adjustment. Check the wiring for bad connections while you are at it.