Not road racing:Is Global West overkill?

Suspensiopn mods

I'm on a similar path; a friend of mine that owned a 350GT in the eighties and is a Ford Automotive engineer suggested the following;

First put a Rack and pinion steering system in.

Second focus on the rear suspension with a good panhard bar
Third rebuild the stock front suspension (Use the Shelby Drop) with graphite impregnated poly bushings.

Fourth get good shocks.

He thinks a lot of the front suspension items while of very good quality are a little overkill until you do the other things first and that getting the rear suspension to maintain its location while driving is more important than the front suspension issues in the stock Mustang. Also the stock front suspension components are not bad.

So I think I'll try that this winter and see where I am in the spring. I'll start with the Total Control R&P and then the rear suspension rebuild with a pan hard bar and whatever else is deemed necessary and then rebuild the front suspension (I'll hope to do it all at once)

i dont think its overkill, because you are not racing. If you were racing then i would say they are underkill . I would not race on thier stuff, but thats just me i guess!



Jason

I have one of the virst G-W kits from around 1990. It lowered the upper arm 1.75" and added a 15 degree wedge to prevent the upper arm from binding. Understeer is no more!! The tubular kitg is costly but IMHO well worth it if you drive hard. I plan to install the new unit for the 65 by years end.
I personally do not like the Mustang-II units because of several things, the most important is the Ackerman that they do not address. The second is the stress points on the unibody.
You should call them and talk to a rep. I have learned over the years that you get what you pay for. Most of the time.

mikethebike said:

I have one of the virst G-W kits from around 1990. It lowered the upper arm 1.75" and added a 15 degree wedge to prevent the upper arm from binding. Understeer is no more!! The tubular kitg is costly but IMHO well worth it if you drive hard. I plan to install the new unit for the 65 by years end.
I personally do not like the Mustang-II units because of several things, the most important is the Ackerman that they do not address. The second is the stress points on the unibody.
You should call them and talk to a rep. I have learned over the years that you get what you pay for. Most of the time.

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are you putting thier stuff on your 65' soon, is that what im reading?


Jason

jason@gmachine said:

i dont think its overkill, because you are not racing. If you were racing then i would say they are underkill . I would not race on thier stuff, but thats just me i guess!



Jason

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You seem to like to talk down products. How about telling us why GW parts are inferior.

brianj5600 said:

You seem to like to talk down products. How about telling us why GW parts are inferior.

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i would not call it of race quality, for the street it will work great. But i dont need to explain, i will show you. We have a few new kits coming out and well, they are superior in every aspect. The only bad thing is that i cant give anything away just yet because we have already heard through the grapevine that our competitors are trying to copy our design and seal our ideas, so the entire setup is under wraps for now. Look for something witin the next 4 months. The stages of manufacturing are starting to take place.



Jason

What price range are these set ups?

we are looking at about 3.5K to 6K for the different kits. There is a reason they are more expensive, and that reason is Quality!


Jason

jason@gmachine said:

we are looking at about 3.5K to 6K for the different kits. There is a reason they are more expensive, and that reason is Quality!


Jason

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One more question. Will the front kit do away with the shock towers?

mustbereel said:

One more question. Will the front kit do away with the shock towers?

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no, but it will allow you to do this!




Jason

jason@gmachine said:

i would not call it of race quality, for the street it will work great. But i dont need to explain, i will show you. We have a few new kits coming out and well, they are superior in every aspect. The only bad thing is that i cant give anything away just yet because we have already heard through the grapevine that our competitors are trying to copy our design and seal our ideas, so the entire setup is under wraps for now. Look for something witin the next 4 months. The stages of manufacturing are starting to take place.



Jason

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hmmmm, that's funny becuase people have been racing with these kits since the late 80's. how many times has your setup been on the track?..... none, becuase you haven't even finished it yet.

i'm not knocking you guys stuff at all, becuase i have yet to see any of it, but you'd better have something to back it up before you start talking down other peoples stuff.


i have seen you guys big chunky spindle, though, and i hope you plan on thinning that sucker sown some from it's current state, after all the whole point of using is aluminum is to save weight and i can guarantee that thing doesn't not weigh any less than a stock spindle

bnickel said:

hmmmm, that's funny becuase people have been racing with these kits since the late 80's. how many times has your setup been on the track?..... none, becuase you haven't even finished it yet.

i'm not knocking you guys stuff at all, becuase i have yet to see any of it, but you'd better have something to back it up before you start talking down other peoples stuff.


i have seen you guys big chunky spindle, though, and i hope you plan on thinning that sucker sown some from it's current state, after all the whole point of using is aluminum is to save weight and i can guarantee that thing doesn't not weigh any less than a stock spindle

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well. you are right about the fact that people have been racing on that stuff for years, that does not mean i would or that its the best. The strength and quality of our kit will be far superior, mainly because we have taken the time to do the proper r&D, years! And i am very confident that the "backing" will be more then enough.

the spindle was a prototype that was made to ensure the pickup points were in order, but that was a prototype for a drop spindle not for first kit we are making. It is about the same as the stock unit but is in rough from because once again it was a prototype. We have several other tricks up out sleeve, that are not going to be stated because like i said above we are already having problems with competition.


thanks for the reality check! Now i need to get the kit on a winning car!


Jason

I am not sure that at $3500 you will be competing with GW, and at $6000 you will be in Griggs territory. I'd say you have your work cut out for you. Does it bolt in like GW? Will it be Vintage legal?

brianj5600 said:

Will it be Vintage legal?

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No. If GW isn't (and it sin't) Jay's can't be.

well Griggs is a awsome kit, the only drawback is the amount of fabrication involved to install it, but it is very nice. Ours will bolt in, but unlike others it has some different aspects to it. There has been countless hours of engineering to ensure that every aspect has been thought of. .


There are 4 total kits, the first we plan to release is the $3500 kit. The second will be the $6000 one and the other kits im not even going to hint, because we are really concerned about the competitors.

and yes, we have a great deal of work cut out for us, good thing the design and R&D stages are done and its onto the manufacturing stages.


Jason

CraigMBA said:

No. If GW isn't (and it sin't) Jay's can't be.

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yeah, the plan is to have it legal, but that is jus the plan. In reality in might not be legal .


Jaosn