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Black1987

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Thanks for the help electrical gremlins have plagued this car
 

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Without ecu hooked up.


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Mustang5L5 said:
Without ecu hooked up.


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I'll have to do it after work tomorrow appreciate the help
 
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How to identify an o2 harness:
http://www.ponyperformance.com/tech14.html
 
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Black1987

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@Mustang5L5 and @liljoe07 I should get no power or 12v at 46 when the key is on correct?

 
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Black1987

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I think I had my orientation wrong. I got .01-.04 with key on and key on clutch in. Cranking it jumped to .40 volts. Shouldn't this be zero
 

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That small amount of volts is not an issue. You are good to go.
 
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Black1987

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liljoe07 said:
That small amount of volts is not an issue. You are good to go.
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Well when I took around the block it threw a 67 code. It bucked, then went like a BOH. Light went off. Came to a stop idle fluctuates CEL. Ran the codes and got 67.

Is there a picture of the where NGS is on the trans?
 

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Pass side. Top pigtail.

It's wired in parallel with the one on the clutch switch.

Try running codes with clutch pedal in the entire time.


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Mustang5L5 said:


Pass side. Top pigtail.

It's wired in parallel with the one on the clutch switch.

Try running codes with clutch pedal in the entire time.


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I had the clutch in and a/c off and ran them twice bc I thought I had the a/c on.

What issues does the NGS cause left unhooked?

I find it odd my car idle fine before and had ability to run codes but after the jumper it idles a lil rough , can't run codes, and drives better.

Back to the drawing board
 

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Idle quality and inability to run codes.

I would probably suspect the jumper is incorrect. I'll have to revisit in the am once I'm on a PC vs phone

So it wouldn't run with a3m but ran fine with a9l?




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Mustang5L5 said:
Idle quality and inability to run codes.

I would probably suspect the jumper is incorrect. I'll have to revisit in the am once I'm on a PC vs phone

So it wouldn't run with a3m but ran fine with a9l?




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Sounds good much appreciated
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
Idle quality and inability to run codes.

I would probably suspect the jumper is incorrect. I'll have to revisit in the am once I'm on a PC vs phone

So it wouldn't run with a3m but ran fine with a9l?




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I honestly didn't see the last part of that, I only ran the A9L around the block. I can try the A3M tonight.

Before it ran worse with the A3M, so I didn't even try it. .
 

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So this is currently how you have it jumpered correct?




And this is what it was before?
 

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Black1987 said:
I honestly didn't see the last part of that, I only ran the A9L around the block. I can try the A3M tonight.

Before it ran worse with the A3M, so I didn't even try it. .
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I don't think it's going to make a difference. I wonder if the trace on the A3M is burned since oyu ran the auto O2 harness with it.

When you have some time, open it up and follow pin 46 back to this trace and see if it looks burned.
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
I don't think it's going to make a difference. I wonder if the trace on the A3M is burned since oyu ran the auto O2 harness with it.

When you have some time, open it up and follow pin 46 back to this trace and see if it looks burned.
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Yeah I actually was about to get to that point. Would a trace starting to fail (burn) cause it to have intermittent or would it just not run at all?
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
So this is currently how you have it jumpered correct?




And this is what it was before?
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Yes, only difference is my jumper was purple
 

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So in your case, are you sure your engine harness is a 92-93 harness? Reason I ask is the pinout did change depending on years. From 89-90, the 5-spd harness was pinned with the top wire moved over 1 spot to the location circled.



What color is the wire here on the opposite side?


No matter what we do here, always double check that pin 46 before plugging a computer in if you move an pins around. Clutch in, while cranking. There should be no voltage on pin 46.
 

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Black1987 said:
Yeah I actually was about to get to that point. Would a trace starting to fail (burn) cause it to have intermittent or would it just not run at all?
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Engine may run, but run poorly.
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
Engine may run, but run poorly.
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Black1987 said:
Here is what I have

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The jumper connects the blue/yellow wire to a purple/yellow wire.

If I would jumper it the 89-90 way, it would be like a creamy pink/ purple to purple/yellow
 
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