overheating, timing is FUBAR and wont start after being ran. ive searched for 45mins.

BK_CAULEY

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instead of giving a long story of whats going on im gonna itemize it for your reading pleasure.

1. running hot, almost to point of over heating.

2. if i set timing at 12* it wont start up for around 5-10 seconds of turning. then when it does start it wont idle it shuts back off. and has no throttle response.

3. if i set timing to 20+* it will run fine and idle fine but start to over heat.

Here is what ive looked at and changed.

new T-stat, radiator (factory replacement). the water pumps good.

pulled dizzy set pointer to 0* and stabbed it at #1 on the compression stroke.

marked the balancer at 12* with chalk and set from there with spout out.

Why wont the car run with low timing? hell it wont even idle. even if i set the idle screw way in. it makes no sence. and after it runs and gets put it wont start back up. just spins. and it has a hard time doing that.

 

hotcobra03

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Does car run with maf unpluged?

 

BK_CAULEY

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i just went out and tried it. yes it does run, but it changes tone a little bit when i unplug it. and its cold right now also. im having the most trouble once it gets hot. i pulled the codes and got KOEO 31,81,82,84,85 KOER 31

 

stykthyn

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sounds like you are leaning out, what is your fuel pressure? your EGR is hosed too.

 

BK_CAULEY

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32 with vac line on. autometer guage and aeromotive regulator.

plugs are nice and clean. i was having a rich problem but solved that. and now i dont know what to do.

 

stykthyn

I want to measure mine. It doesn't look that tall.

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damn dude, let me break out the "bible" and see what it says.

 

stykthyn

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NVM, I didnt notice that code 85 was engine off, sounds like your CANP or canister purge solenoid is either stuck or faulty. what it's supposed to do is regulate the flow of fuel vapor from the evap canister back to the fuel system, if it's not working right then that might be why your car isnt running well.

 

BK_CAULEY

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stykthyn said:

NVM, I didnt notice that code 85 was engine off, sounds like your CANP or canister purge solenoid is either stuck or faulty. what it's supposed to do is regulate the flow of fuel vapor from the evap canister back to the fuel system, if it's not working right then that might be why your car isnt running well.

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it hasnt been pluged up in 2 years.

 

stykthyn

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well **** man, I dont know, I'm goin off the codes you gave me

 

stykthyn

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maybe if you talk dirty to it and rub it just right it will work better for you

 

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Pull the dizzy and make sure your not 180 out... pulled my dizzy on my 91, did a turbo install and the car would be hard really hard to start.. when it would start it would sound like it was barely getting fuel and die. Tried everything and turns out I was 180 out.. may not be your issue but it's worth the 15 minutes to check especially if your getting good spark and fuel pressure

 

BK_CAULEY

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Boostedpimp said:

Pull the dizzy and make sure your not 180 out... pulled my dizzy on my 91, did a turbo install and the car would be hard really hard to start.. when it would start it would sound like it was barely getting fuel and die. Tried everything and turns out I was 180 out.. may not be your issue but it's worth the 15 minutes to check especially if your getting good spark and fuel pressure

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the car starts up fine. and drives fine. it only does this when it gets warm.

 

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Crossed all of your codes .81 ?over boost .all others egr and thermo air. Hate to guess but sounds like egr is getting stuck open

 

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hotcobra03 said:

Crossed all of your codes .81 ?over boost .all others egr and thermo air. Hate to guess but sounds like egr is getting stuck open

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If im not misstaking when u unpluged maf it should have stalled .clean maf inside and out .

 

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Keep this in mind.your vacuum harness is mini hoses.my 03 had 1 burnt line and 3 restricted lines.i replaced it with new ford parts and solved alot stuff .i found that pulling complete harness off was the best way .when sucking and blowing thru line it should be like blowing thru a straw.

 

BK_CAULEY

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i have no egr. and all my vaccum ports are closed up at the intake. the only ones i have hooked up are the rear pcv, brake booster and FPR.

 

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What changes did you make to the car before this started?
Mods?

Codes?

I don't know what unplugging the MAF is supposed to tell you?

Symptoms 1, 2, and 3 all sound like the dist. is 180 out.
Re-stab it, making sure you are on the compression stroke...

jason

 

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go piss in the gas tank, that might help, go out side and push a tree on it or something, get some insurance money..

 

hotcobra03

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I agree with above. But with codes i read i was right vac as now he tells everything is plugged. Code 81 is turbo if change to 72 its map cant find 90 but 91 is hego.a contaminated maf will also leed to crazy doings. Than how long has it been running hot?