Painting Questions

phutch11

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I'm looking to get my 66 coupe painted and I've got no experience with painting cars and a few questions.

First--What does a good (NOT trailer queen) paint job cost? Bear in mind, I have completely dissambled the car; interior and exterior.

Second -- If I tried to do it myself what are the changes it'll look half way decent?

Third -- Does anyone know a good auto painter in Middle Tennessee? The yellow pages are proving worthless.

Thanks.
 
paint is a hard thing to quote. You will get many answers due to the different paints you can use and simply who makes it. A spies hecker is a bit more than PPG or dupont. Hell you could get Sherwin Williams paint and do a good job. If there is ABSOLUTELY NO bodywork to be done, I would expect to pay $1-2000. When bodywork starts it gets expensive.

If you want to try it yourself you are lookin at quite a bit of money too. First off you need a large compressor to keep up with the amount of CFM a paint gun is gonna use. I recommend a nice paint gun (not a primer gun from harbor freight) but a nice $200+ gun. Then you need a primer gun (cheap $30 harbor freight one will work fine). I recommend an epoxy primer not acrylic. Realize paint can cost up and over $300 a gal and to do 2 coats you will probably need about 2 sprayable gallons. When I say sprayable, its probably a gal and a quart of paint and then mix in the reducer to make 2 sprayable gal.

I really suggest leaving up to a professional just because of the inital startup expenses.
 
even if u have no experience you should try to do all of the bodywork and primer yourself....it is a great skill to learn and the biggest thing about it is that it is just a lot of hard work. it is for people who want to save a grip of money and don't worry about skinning their knuckles or being sore all over from block sanding for 4 hours straight.

when it comes down to painting it takes a little finesse, especially spraying clear and color sanding. you can have that done by an experienced painter and the turnout will be awesome (assuming everything was straight with your bodywork)
you can also try to do it yourself and you don't need to buy a huge compressor and an expensive spray gun (although they are really fun). many places rent out their spray booths for a fee and you may or may not need to provide your own spray gun.
good luck! but remember if you add this on to your restoration you are adding on quite a few months!

matt
 
Thanks for the advice guys. Unfortunately the timing issue is the biggest problem that I have...I just don't have the extra months that it'll take for me to do it.

The other big problem is finding a good pro to do the work. I've gotten two quotes, both in the $4000-$6000 range (not having seen the car) from "custom" painters. I just can't justify putting more money the the paint than I paid for the car to begin with. And, of course, I don't want a Maco job...it's just hard to find someone in the middle.

Thanks Again.
 
Just remember that you will probably never recoupe the cost of a GOOD paint job, because the only paint job on a car worth any money is the NEXT paint job. My car has been painted at least two or three times in the past which is of course, no value to me what-so-ever. The next paint job will be the first one for me on this car and will possibly be the largest expense, but spread out over the life of the paint job, it seems like a decent investment compared to what value I'd have remaining after five years of car payments on something new.

Those quotes seem high, but they are covering their a$$es due to not seeing the car.
 
0to100to0 said:
even if u have no experience you should try to do all of the bodywork and primer yourself....it is a great skill to learn and the biggest thing about it is that it is just a lot of hard work. it is for people who want to save a grip of money and don't worry about skinning their knuckles or being sore all over from block sanding for 4 hours straight.

when it comes down to painting it takes a little finesse, especially spraying clear and color sanding. you can have that done by an experienced painter and the turnout will be awesome (assuming everything was straight with your bodywork)
you can also try to do it yourself and you don't need to buy a huge compressor and an expensive spray gun (although they are really fun). many places rent out their spray booths for a fee and you may or may not need to provide your own spray gun.
good luck! but remember if you add this on to your restoration you are adding on quite a few months!

matt


im gonna disagree with the good/bad paint gun. You cannot throw down a quality spray with a cheap gun. Its just not going to happen. My buddy is a professional painter and trust me, I have seen the difference between a cheap and nice gun.
 
xoxbxfx said:
im gonna disagree with the good/bad paint gun. You cannot throw down a quality spray with a cheap gun. Its just not going to happen. My buddy is a professional painter and trust me, I have seen the difference between a cheap and nice gun.
Yes and No IMHO. The most notable difference between paint guns is CFM. Higher quality guns have higher CFM ratings thus require larger compressors. The intent is to lay down as much paint as possible in the shortest amount of time, thus reducing overspray and contamination. You can get a decent quality paint job with a midrange gun, but to achieve this you end up using twice as much paint so you can sand down the overspray, which is quite labor intensive. Bottom line: If you have access to a suitable compressor, the extra money for the quality gun will quickly be recouped in paint and labor savings.
 
painting a car is not something for your home garage. you should also be aware of the health risks if you don't have the proper equipment. but if you have a place to do it, are willing to wet sand some orange peel, and possibly get cancer, than i see no reason not to give it a try. first off, instead of using clear coat, you may want to try acrylic enamel. my friend (with no prior experience) painted a car with acrylic and it looks great.... much more deep than clear coat. i also believe its stock.
 
Painting at home is not that hard. Research and put in the time and almost anyone can do a pretty decent job. Plenty of prep is the key. If you use a good respirator with new filters there shouldn't be any health problems. Some people swear that some of the cheaper guns work great I don't know if I'd take a chance on them or not.
 
As usual, I'm going to contradict the experts around here. First off, painting is very much something you can do in your home garage. It can be done cheaper and, in my opinion at a higher quality than if you turned it over to many of the "pro's" out there. You don't need a zillion dollars in high-end paint guns and commercial compressors, nor do you have to forsake quality just because it's your first paint job. Anyone who tells you any different has first off never done it themselves (like 90% of the answers you just got) and second has never taken the time to learn what's involved in painting a car. How do I know? Because about this time last year, I sprayed my first paintjob ever, and it turned out nicer than any of the people who told me to just pay someone to do it ever thought it would. First thing you need to do is ask yourself if you're doing it to save money, or if you're doing it because you love the car and want to learn this skill. In short, because you enjoy the pride that goes with doing something yourself. If you just want the car painted, quit reading right now and start looking for a bodyshop, you'll be better off in the end.
To paint a car, you need to know what you're getting into, blow a few bucks on books and videos. I recommend books like "Secrets of Kustom Painting" and "Advanced Kustom Painting" by Jon Kosmoski. These books are full of information and good advice as well as techniques that you can use with a minimum of tools and cost. The first book is kind of outdated as far as gun recommendations go, but otherwise it's a great book. Good videos include the "Paintucation" series by Kevin Tetz. He also has a good forum at www.paintucation.com and it's full of experienced painters, first-timers and others who are very nice people and very willing to help.
As far as equipment, I painted my car with a Sears 6.5 hp/ 60 gallon upright oil-less compressor. Most pro's will tell you that you need a reciprocating compressor, but mine did well and for under $400 it'll be in my shop as long as it runs. I plumbed my shop as per Kosmoski's recommendations which is outlined in his first book and works unbelievably well to prevent trash and water from ever getting to your filter/watertrap, let alone your gun. Most painters would be horrified to hear this, but I shot every part, from primer to final clear, of my car with one gun. Why? Because it's all I could afford and it worked nicely. I bought a Devilbiss Finishline 3 off ebay for $117, a regulator for it from www.autobodystore.com for $20 as well as a couple different tips for clear and base and I cleaned the gun thouroghly every single time I used it and not once was I sorry, it worked beautifully. You also need a fresh-air supply system if you plan on living long enough to enjoy your new paint job and while those typically sell for $400-$500 on up, I borrowed one from work for free. It's a real pain in the butt to drag an extra hose around, but it beats getting isocynate poisoning. As far as your "paint booth" goes, you need to get it as clean as possible before you spray, if you have to leave stuff in the shop when you spray, cover it as well as you can to keep debris from your barbeque grill or whatever from getting in your paintjob. Common sense would also tell the home painter to keep the family dog out of the shop while the spraying is taking place to avoid having your car look like a popsicle in a windstorm (full of debris). To keep your new paint job from having all the smoothness of a sack of walnuts, be as picky as you can stand about your bodywork, when you think you've got the bodywork perfect, shoot another couple coats of primer, then a guidecoat, then block it one last time. I blocked my car 4 times, even thought it is white. Remask the car after any sanding with quality masking paper, don't use the Sunday Times, it's a nightmare to use and masking paper is a whopping $6 a roll at my local paint store. When painting, attutude is everything. If you think you can do it, then you CAN do it, but if you're one of those people with all the positive attitude of Eeyore, the luckless donkey in the Pooh stories, forget it and pay the bodyshop. Good luck!
 
I've done several paint jobs through out the years in my home garage(s). I initially bought the best gun I could afford, read lots of books and magazines on the subject, got the paint manufacturer's literature for the type of paint I was going to spray, and went for it. I've had numerous successes, and a few less than desireable flaws (mostly flying creatures) that I later went back and repaired.

As mentioned, most of the work is with the preparation. Physical and mental. The spraying is the fun part because you get to see the results of all your hard work.

Here is a link to a car that I did completely at home, from body panel replacement, to the final paint and assembly:

http://www.geocities.com/dennis_2685/Newcoupe.html

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An alternative that I have also used when I didn't have a garage/compressor available is to do all the body work myself at home including primer and final sanding and then arranging for a pro to do the final painting in their shop. If you have everything removed and do most of the premasking, you can get a quality job.

Good luck.
 
My primary reason for doing the paint myself (outside of the pride in accomplishment, which is huge) is that I prefer to take the time and paint all removable parts individually off the car. However, it sounds like the poster has a time restriction and I don't think anyones first paint job should be rushed through.

phutch11 said:
Thanks for the advice guys. Unfortunately the timing issue is the biggest problem that I have...I just don't have the extra months that it'll take for me to do it..