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94GTLaserRC · Apr 23, 2007

First Joe, then Roger, then You...Hopefully, Im next!!
RC

50 Slow · Apr 23, 2007

COOL AIN'T CHEAP!!!! Looks good man.

juiced_94gt · Apr 24, 2007

OK I will be buying some roller rockers today...I just hate looking at those stock ones also whats needed to install a main girdle?? im just going to go ahead and do it right the first time, what oil pan will fit our cars??? and when i do a girdle, do i just take off one cap at a time and torque it down?? to what??

blkcobra50 · Apr 24, 2007

When I built my TFS 331 I went with a 7qt Canton Oil Pan. Part #15-620S. I purchased a kit with the pan, pickup, main girdle w/longer ARP hardware, windage tray and dipstick off ebay. Pan and everything fit very well with the only thing that I needed to do was to grind a bit of material off the oil pump because the bolt head was interfering. I had to take a very small amount of material off the pump for it to clear.

If you are going to get a main girdle some require the main caps to be machined. The Canton girdle does not require this as there are spaces for the caps to fit into. If you do get a girdle start over. Take all bolts out and retorque in sequence to spec using longer arp hardware. I think spec was around 60 ft lb.

And don't forget to measure the distance the pickup tube is from the bottom of the pan. It may need a bit of tweaking. hope that helps and good luck with the build.

Get everything you want while the motor is out of the car. It may take more time to get it done but in the end you will be much happier. Good idea on the rockers, getting them before the motor goes back in.

Good luck with the build. Hope everything works as it should!

JJ95GTID · Apr 24, 2007

94GTLaserRC said:
First Joe, then Roger, then You...Hopefully, Im next!!
RC

Don't forget Paul

final5-0 · Apr 24, 2007

BlackVert said:
now don't get me wrong here ... i think tmoss does great work, but i bet that your lower is your restriction. strap on a holley, and you'd be at 350+ easy.

I could not be so sure about that myself

But ... It does make one think about it AFAIK

I see it as a similar thing to the OEM Cobra intake

I've never cared for them in stock form
but
When Tom does his magic on one ... he has data that supports it flows
right in there with the after market intakes

It just might be the same kind of deal when comparing
his ported Edel to a stock Holley

Hey Tom Moss

Give us some insight here

Grady

1994Vib.RedGT · Apr 24, 2007

If you dont mind me asking, how much did all of that run you? Ive been salivating over a 331 stroker for 2.5 years now, and Im a poor college kid who makes NOWHERE near enough money to think about a new stoker right now. I realllllllllllllllyyyyyyy want one though.

94GTLaserRC · Apr 24, 2007

JJ95GTID said:
Don't forget Paul

I have NO idea what's going on with Paul

He used to reply to my posts with a comment directed at me, but since Ive been back on the boards, I have not heard from him, nor do I have any idea of what's going on with him.

RC

94GTLaserRC · Apr 24, 2007

1994Vib.RedGT said:
If you dont mind me asking, how much did all of that run you? Ive been salivating over a 331 stroker for 2.5 years now, and Im a poor college kid who makes NOWHERE near enough money to think about a new stoker right now. I realllllllllllllllyyyyyyy want one though.

You are looking at $6-$7k minimum if you want a good longblock with supporting cast.

My advice:

GET THROUGH COLLEGE FIRST

You need to have patience. I got my stang in 94, didnt get the Vortech until 2003, and Ive been contemplating my stroker for 2 years now, and maybe still another year before I get it done... AND I am 42!!

Do NOT finance more than about 1/4 of the cost or you will regret it.

(Im done with the fatherly lecture now)

Good Luck!
RC

BlackVert · Apr 24, 2007

94GTLaserRC said:
First Joe, then Roger, then You...Hopefully, Im next!!
RC

what about me? can i be in the club?

BlackVert · Apr 24, 2007

94GTLaserRC said:
You are looking at $6-$7k minimum if you want a good longblock with supporting cast.

My advice:

GET THROUGH COLLEGE FIRST

You need to have patience. I got my stang in 94, didnt get the Vortech until 2003, and Ive been contemplating my stroker for 2 years now, and maybe still another year before I get it done... AND I am 42!!

Do NOT finance more than about 1/4 of the cost or you will regret it.

(Im done with the fatherly lecture now)

Good Luck!
RC

good advice. i have 4 more years before my kids are grown up and i can set up my shop in my garage and get down to the business of doing my own work.

problem is, by then i'll be too old and weak to be able to pick up a wrench.

the more mature you get, the more you will be able to control the urge to act on impulse.

JJ95GTID · Apr 24, 2007

94GTLaserRC said:
I have NO idea what's going on with Paul

He used to reply to my posts with a comment directed at me, but since Ive been back on the boards, I have not heard from him, nor do I have any idea of what's going on with him.

RC

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=697611

Here ya go.

BlackVert · Apr 24, 2007

1994Vib.RedGT said:
If you dont mind me asking, how much did all of that run you? Ive been salivating over a 331 stroker for 2.5 years now, and Im a poor college kid who makes NOWHERE near enough money to think about a new stoker right now. I realllllllllllllllyyyyyyy want one though.

i might have just what you are looking for. after my 410 is in, i hope to take my 302 block and build a 331 for the learning experience.

the guy in the cube next to me is the son of the guy who built my motor ... he works at my office because he had to pay his bills, and the money from the shop didn't quite cover his expenses, but he has built many motors and knows his stuff. he says he will help me learn how to do it right.

i've been buying the parts off people over on corral. i already have the rotating assembly (probe pistons, forged rods, cast crank), heads (ported windsor senior), intake (pro products typhoon), and cam (comp xe-274-hr).

after i am done (i am going to work on it during my lunch break!) i'm going to dyno it and then sell it at cost.

i'm at about $1500 right now. i'll probably be at about $2500 when i'm done. i hope to have it done by the end of the summer.

tmoss · Apr 25, 2007

go-stang5.0 said:
Don't know at the motor but...at the wheels it makes 333@5200rpm and like 440lb-ft@4500rpm.

I'm not doubting your word, but I'm wondering about the equipment used. Think about your numbers - at 4,500 rpm you are making 440lb-ft and then 700 rpm later you are down to about 330lb-ft. How often does an engine drop 110lb-ft in 700 rpm? Almost never!

Got a graph of that dyno?

blkcobra50 · Apr 25, 2007

was he stating 333rwhp@5200 or ft lb torque?

tmoss · Apr 25, 2007

440lb-ft x 4,400 rpm / 5250 = 377RWHP
333lb-ft x 5,200 rpm / 5250 = 330RWHP

I sure hope his HP didn't peak at 4,500 rpm

Something aint right............

Black95GTS · Apr 25, 2007

go-stang5.0 said:
Don't know at the motor but...at the wheels it makes 333@5200rpm and like 440lb-ft@4500rpm. This is uncorrected numbers on a DynaPack hub dyno 90 deg. day w/ 100% humidity (the dyno attaches to the wheel hubs, so theres no tire slippage etc). Oh and motor is untuned stock cpu. Been running like this for 2 yrs. now. I am emissions exempt now so I will be going for a bigger custom grind from ED and a nice dyno tune and hopefuilly I will see some bigger numbers and better drivability. Shooting for 380ish to the wheels....

440 rwtrq from a 331!!! Please post your dyno, thats incredible.

Although I'm pretty sure thats a typo as 340 rwtrq would be right on the money. Great combo either way.

Adam

dlaul01 · Apr 25, 2007

Wow your car looks exactly like my buddys but he has a 347 stroker

juiced_94gt · Apr 25, 2007

1994Vib.RedGT said:
If you dont mind me asking, how much did all of that run you? Ive been salivating over a 331 stroker for 2.5 years now, and Im a poor college kid who makes NOWHERE near enough money to think about a new stoker right now. I realllllllllllllllyyyyyyy want one though.

I had a budget set at the begining for 4k right now at at over 6k going on 7k for sure, but keep in mind im building a longblock from scratch. New bolts, nuts everything because my old motor is still in the car and when this engine goes in it's going to be a one day job here at my house, no time ti remove and install old parts, just the necessary stuff, you would save quite a bit of money if you have a 331 shortblock, heads and the usual oil pump, timing chain set, cam, lifters, rockers, pushrods, etc. I have a new manifold and all for the build- up also, plus it still needs to be tuned.

Five-O-Stang · Apr 25, 2007

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