Planning a 5 speed swap. anything special to look for?

ChaseRoads · Jan 23, 2022

The plan is to 5 speed swap my 91 at some point. Next winter at the soonest but probably the following one. Not in a rush. The only part I have so far are the pedals. Not looking to do anything crazy high end but would like to eliminate any know weak leaks when I do the swap. Do you guys suggest any parts over others for a slightly better than stock swap?

Is the maximum motorsports cable, quadrant and adjuster still considered the best? For a clutch, I want a lighter pedal. I want something the wife won't mind driving.

Mstng93SSP · Jan 24, 2022

I have done the swap many times. I have always used the parts store replacement clutch with great success. If you want a light pedal, that is the way to go. I also use a stock factory cable with a firewall adjuster.

7991LXnSHO · Jan 24, 2022

If you are looking for a lighter clutch pedal, you will need to get a clutch with a lighter clutch plate spring set (not the exact technical term) or use a hydraulic throw out bearing kit.
The high power clutch sets will not make your left leg happy during city cruising or picking up the kids, so stick closer to stock style replacements.

Monkeybutt2000 · Jan 24, 2022

The hardest part IS the pedals.

90sickfox · Jan 24, 2022

The parts store brand clutches have worked well for me too. The one thing I recommend is a FORD throw out bearing. The ones that come in the clutch kit are cheap. Also, I recommend getting a Ford clutch fork. The metal of the aftermarket ones aren't as stiff as the Ford ones. They can spread out or flex and ride the TOB wrong. Maximum is still one of the best suppliers out there. The best is OEM if you can find one. The dealership was still carrying them about 8 years ago. No idea if they still stock them.

mikestang63 · Jan 24, 2022

i finished putting together my parts list for swapping out the AOD to t5.. here is what I came up with

AOD TO T5 PARTS

REBUILT T5 WITH STAINLESS STEEL RETAINER
NEW CENTERFORCE DUAL CLUTCH AND PRESSURE PLATE
NEW FRPP SFI FLYWHEEL
CLUTCH FORK
NEW CLUTCH FORK INSPECTION COVER
NEW FRPP THROW OUT BEARING
T5 BELLHOUSING
NEW T5 BELLHOUSING BALL
NEW FRPP PILOT BEARING
T5 ENGINE PLATE
T5 TRANSMISSION DOUBLE HUMP CROSS MEMBER
NEW POLY CROSS MEMBER BUSHINGS
NEW POLY TRANS MOUNT BUSHING
NEW RON FRANCIS NSS AOD TO T5 JUMPER CABLE FOR TRANS HARNESS
FOX BODY 1989 5 SPEED PEDAL ASSEMBLY
NEW BRAKE AND CLUTCH PEDAL PADS
NEW STEEDA ADJUSTABLE CLUTCH CABLE
CLUTCH FIREWALL ADJUSTER
STEEDA TRIAX SHIFTER AND HANDLE
NEW T5 SHIFTER HUMP FOR FLOORPAN
NEW T5 SHIFTER RUBBER BOOT FOR HUMP
NEW T5 SHIFTER BEZEL
NEW T5 SHIFTER LEATHER BOOT
NEW ARP FLYWHEEL BOLTS
NEW CLUTCH/ PRESSURE PLATE BOLTS
NEW TRANSMISSION TO BELHOUSING BOLTS
NEW BELLHOUSING TO ENGINE BOLTS

ChaseRoads · Jan 24, 2022

Monkeybutt2000 said:
The hardest part IS the pedals.

I'm actually putting a lot of thought into dividing it into 2 jobs. next winter, swap the pedals and reroute the speedo cable, then the following winter, do the rest. lol.

Mstng93SSP · Jan 24, 2022

It's challenging,....but I don't think it is two year challenging.....

ChaseRoads · Jan 25, 2022

Mstng93SSP said:
It's challenging,....but I don't think it is two year challenging.....

lol. I agree. I may do it all in one go. Just spreading things out a bit. Trying to drive the car more than work on it. A lot of it will come down to if I get the garage insulated and heated this year or not.

90sickfox · Jan 25, 2022

It's a 2 weekend job for a modest wrench turner. That's without cleaning everything and restoring as you go. That's stuff can really stretch it out.

Don't forget a new ford rear main and a crank repair sleeve. Best to do it while you are there.

ChaseRoads · Feb 16, 2022

Found an a9L local for a good price. I figure the trans and bell are the only other hard to get items. Looking like i'll be doing it this fall or winter.

Mustang5L5 · Feb 17, 2022

If you are swapping the ECU from the auto ECU to the 5-spd ECU, you'll want to swap the transmission harness as well.

Of course it seems nobody has these in stock anymore

Fox-Mustang manual transmission main harness - Modern Driveline

Fox-Mustang manual transmission main harness, '87-93 OE replacement with body grommet. Works with T-5, and TKO. See MD-700-0010 for Reverse switch connector

www.moderndriveline.com

The AOD harnesses do not have 2 wires for the NGS on top of the T-5. You can simply run 2 wires for the NGS and tap them into the driver's side kick panel, or find a used 5-spd harness. Not hooking this up might result in a idle surge or hanging idle at times.

You also need to repin the O2 sensor jumper on the harness end. Pretty easy to do. you NEED to do this step.

Electrical - O2 harness repin

This thread is a HOW-TO for the process of repining the o2 sensor harness to match ECU/Trans, in the event the car is swapped. Please do not ask me what the harness should be repined to. The information is out there in an easy google search. Step one. Remove the o2 sensor harness from...

www.stangnet.com

These are really the only two electrical changes needed when swapping the AOD ecu out for the 5-spd one. IMHO, this step should be done, as idle quality may suffer slightly when using an AOD ecu with the 5-spd. All depends on how picky you are with something like that.

KRUISR · Feb 17, 2022

90sickfox said:
It's a 2 weekend job for a modest wrench turner.

I did the AOD to T5 swap this past summer along with a 5 lug swap in one busy week + 2 weekends. The 5 lug swap included fabricating custom rear caliper mount brackets (about a day and half to do both brackets).

I kept the A9P ECU, I left the clutch pedal switch jumpered (this is done from the factory on an auto car). I used an SN95 trans so it did not have the neutral safety connector on the trans, so just jumpered the wires in my harness in the trans tunnel. One summer of driving and so far no idle or coast down issues.

ChaseRoads · Feb 18, 2022

Mustang5L5 said:
If you are swapping the ECU from the auto ECU to the 5-spd ECU, you'll want to swap the transmission harness as well.

Of course it seems nobody has these in stock anymore

Fox-Mustang manual transmission main harness - Modern Driveline

Fox-Mustang manual transmission main harness, '87-93 OE replacement with body grommet. Works with T-5, and TKO. See MD-700-0010 for Reverse switch connector

www.moderndriveline.com

The AOD harnesses do not have 2 wires for the NGS on top of the T-5. You can simply run 2 wires for the NGS and tap them into the driver's side kick panel, or find a used 5-spd harness. Not hooking this up might result in a idle surge or hanging idle at times.

You also need to repin the O2 sensor jumper on the harness end. Pretty easy to do. you NEED to do this step.

Electrical - O2 harness repin

This thread is a HOW-TO for the process of repining the o2 sensor harness to match ECU/Trans, in the event the car is swapped. Please do not ask me what the harness should be repined to. The information is out there in an easy google search. Step one. Remove the o2 sensor harness from...

www.stangnet.com

These are really the only two electrical changes needed when swapping the AOD ecu out for the 5-spd one. IMHO, this step should be done, as idle quality may suffer slightly when using an AOD ecu with the 5-spd. All depends on how picky you are with something like that.

FH-061 Mustang Manual Main Trans Harness 87-93

This section of harness connects the main vehicle harness to the transmission area. Does not include short harness at transmission. See FH-055. Manufactured with factory correct connectors and terminals, quality crosslink automotive grade wire and high temp covering. This matches factory...

www.ronfrancis.com

this look right?

Mstng93SSP · Feb 18, 2022

Mustang5L5 said:
If you are swapping the ECU from the auto ECU to the 5-spd ECU, you'll want to swap the transmission harness as well.

Of course it seems nobody has these in stock anymore

Fox-Mustang manual transmission main harness - Modern Driveline

Fox-Mustang manual transmission main harness, '87-93 OE replacement with body grommet. Works with T-5, and TKO. See MD-700-0010 for Reverse switch connector

www.moderndriveline.com

The AOD harnesses do not have 2 wires for the NGS on top of the T-5. You can simply run 2 wires for the NGS and tap them into the driver's side kick panel, or find a used 5-spd harness. Not hooking this up might result in a idle surge or hanging idle at times.

You also need to repin the O2 sensor jumper on the harness end. Pretty easy to do. you NEED to do this step.

Electrical - O2 harness repin

This thread is a HOW-TO for the process of repining the o2 sensor harness to match ECU/Trans, in the event the car is swapped. Please do not ask me what the harness should be repined to. The information is out there in an easy google search. Step one. Remove the o2 sensor harness from...

www.stangnet.com

These are really the only two electrical changes needed when swapping the AOD ecu out for the 5-spd one. IMHO, this step should be done, as idle quality may suffer slightly when using an AOD ecu with the 5-spd. All depends on how picky you are with something like that.

Just to emphasize this right here: You also need to repin the O2 sensor jumper on the harness end. Pretty easy to do. you NEED to do this step.

ChaseRoads · Feb 18, 2022

Mstng93SSP said:
Just to emphasize this right here: You also need to repin the O2 sensor jumper on the harness end. Pretty easy to do. you NEED to do this step.

absolutely. it'll fry the ecu otherwise.

ChaseRoads · Feb 24, 2022

Ok, related question. WIll jack stands get the car high enough to remove the trans? or should I look into building those stands out of 2x4's that go under the tires?

KRUISR · Feb 24, 2022

The bigger ones yes. Not sure about the 3 ton ones, but that next size up.

This was my car while doing the auto to manual swap. In this pic the front has an okay 3 ton jack stand (can see the top of a big one in lower part of Pic beside blue lid pail). The back is held up in this Pic with a good 3 ton under my sub frame connector near the rear torque box.

vristang · Feb 24, 2022

Jack stands similar as above, in the lowest position for stability, and I’ve always had plenty of room under the car.

KRUISR · Feb 24, 2022

Agreed, the bigger ones (5 or 6 ton) either lowest setting or first or second notch. Basically as high as my floor jack will lift when under the rear axle and k member.

Planning a 5 speed swap. anything special to look for?

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You have a nice rear end there Dave.

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Wasn't a pretty sight...and I've got big hands

do I need to lube this area?

You have a nice rear end there Dave.

do I need to lube this area?

Wasn't a pretty sight...and I've got big hands

do I need to lube this area?

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do I need to lube this area?

You have a nice rear end there Dave.

do I need to lube this area?

do I need to lube this area?

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