Pulled Codes and have questions.

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Info:
86 SD 5.0 L, Auto

Car surges at idle and runs rich.

Test ran: KOEO (Key on Engine off) Did not Run KOER test

85 - Canster Purge Solnoid (CANP) Failure
82 - Thermactor Bypass Solnoid (TAB) Failure
85 - Canster Purge Solnoid (CANP) Failure
82 - Thermactor Bypass Solnoid (TAB) Failure

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51 - ECT Sensor current too high
34 - EGR Valve Position (EVP) sensor or Pressure Feedback (PFE) sensor of or self test range.
51 - ECT Sensor current too high
34 - EGR Valve Position (EVP) sensor or Pressure Feedback (PFE) sensor of or self test range.


Questions:
1. Where is the Canster Purge Valve located?
2. Thermactor Bypass Solinoid is located?
3. ECT is on the heater tubes or in the intake?
4. EVP sensor is on the back of the EGR but where is the PFE sensor?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Allen
 
jrichker is your man when it comes to codes. but i'll try to help...The ECT is located on lower intake manifold on the drivers side i believe. It's not in the heater tubes. I would check the vac lines and sensor connections for the EGR valve and EVP to rule out anything simple. The thermactor bypass solenoid is related to the air pump plumbing...I'm not sure but i think its in-line in one of the air hoses either to the heads or to the cats...if the air pump has been deleted dont worry about it. Canister Purge valve im not too sure about.
 
Cool,

The car has all of its smog. I live in So Cal so it has to remain. I will be working on this over the weekend to get this damn thing smogged. LOL

Right now it runs bloody rich and when I open a vacuum line it runs ever richer.

Thanks for the help

Any others?

Allen
 
The Thermactor air pump (smog pump) puts air into the heads when the engine is cold and then into the catalytic converters when it is warm. The Thermactor control valves serve to direct the flow. The first valve either dumps air output overboard at WOT or passes it on to the second valve. The second valve (diverter valve) directs it to the heads or the catalytic converters. The air serves to help consume any unburned hydrocarbons by supplying extra oxygen to the catalytic process. The check valves in the output tubes keeps hot exhaust from damaging the pump & control valves.

The TAD & TAB control solenoids (codes 81 & 82) are mounted on the aft side of the passenger side wheel well. It is not uncommon for them to be removed or disconnected.

Code 82 – Secondary Air Injection Diverter Solenoid failure AM1. Possible bad wiring, bad connections, missing or defective solenoid valve. Check the solenoid valve for +12 volts at the Red wire and look for the Red/White wire to switch from +12 volts to 1 volt or less. The computer controls the valve by providing a ground path on the Red/White wire for the solenoid valve

With the engine running, stick a safety pin in the Red/White wire for the solenoid valve & ground it. That should turn the solenoid on and cause air to flow out the port that goes to the pipe connected to the heads. If it doesn't, the valve is bad. If it does cause the airflow to switch, the computer or wiring going to the computer is not signaling the solenoid valve to open.

Code 85 - CANP solenoid - The Carbon Canister solenoid is inoperative. Check vacuum lines for leaks and cracks. Check electrical wiring for loose connections, damaged wiring and insulation. Check solenoid valve operation by grounding the gray/yellow wire to the solenoid and blowing through it.
The computer provides the ground for the solenoid. The red wire to the solenoid is always energized any time the ignition switch is in the run position.

Charcoal canister plumbing - one 3/8" tube from the bottom of the upper manifold to the rubber hose. Rubber hose connects to one side of the canister solenoid valve. Other side of the solenoid valve connects to one side of the canister. The other side of the canister connects to a rubber hose that connects to a line that goes all the way back to the gas tank. There is an electrical connector coming from the passenger side injector harness near #1 injector that plugs into the canister solenoid valve. It's purpose is to vent the gas tank. The solenoid valve opens at cruse to provide some extra fuel.

It does not weigh but a pound or so and helps richen up the cruse mixture. It draws no HP & keeps the car from smelling like gasoline in a closed garage. So with all these good things and no bad ones, why not hook it up & use it?


Code 34 Or 334 - EGR voltage above closed limit - Failed sensor, carbon between EGR pintle valve and seat holding the valve off its seat. Remove the EGR valve and clean it with carbon remover. Prior to re-installing see if you can blow air through the flange side of the EGR by mouth. If it leaks, there is carbon stuck on the pintle valve seat, replace the EGR valve ($85-$95).

If the blow by test passes, and you have replaced the sensor, then you have electrical ground problems. Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the MAP/BARO sensor and then the black/white wire on the EGR and the same wire on the TPS. It should be less than 1.5 ohm. Next check the resistance between the black/white wire and the negative battery post. It should be less than 1.5 ohm.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter.

Let’s put on our Inspector Gadget propeller head beanies and think about how this works:
The EGR sensor is a variable resistor with ground on one leg and Vref (5 volts) on the other. Its’ resistance ranges from 4000 to 5500 Ohms measured between Vref & ground, depending on the sensor. The center connection of the variable resistor is the slider that moves in response to the amount of vacuum applied. The slider has some minimum value of resistance greater than 100 ohms so that the computer always sees a voltage present at its’ input. If the value was 0 ohms, there would be no voltage output. Then the computer would not be able to distinguish between a properly functioning sensor and one that had a broken wire or bad connection. The EGR I have in hand reads 700 Ohms between the slider (EPV) and ground (SIG RTN) at rest with no vacuum applied. The EGR valve or sensor may cause the voltage to be above closed limits due to the manufacturing tolerances that cause the EGR sensor to rest at a higher position than it should.

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This will affect idle quality by diluting the intake air charge

Code 51 Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor signal is/was too high -
Possible bad ECT sensor, or wiring. Possible missing signal ground –
black/wire wire broken or bad connection. With the power off, measure the
resistance between the black/white wire and battery ground. You should see
less than 1 ohm. Check the same black /white wire on the TPS and MAP
sensor. More than 1 ohm there and the wire is probably broken in the harness
between the engine and the computer. The 10 pin connectors pass the
black/white wire back to the computer, and can cause problems.

Pin 7 on the computer - ECT signal in. at 176 degrees F it should be .80 volts

Voltages may be measured across the ECT by probing the connector from the rear.
Use care in doing it so that you don't damage the wiring or connector.

Here's the table :

68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance
with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter.


Ohms measures at the computer with the computer disconnected, or at the sensor with
the sensor disconnected.
50 degrees F = 58.75 K ohms
68 degrees F = 37.30 K ohms
86 degrees F = 27.27 K ohms
104 degrees F = 16.15 K ohms
122 degrees F = 10.97 K ohms
140 degrees F = 7.60 K ohms
158 degrees F = 5.37 K ohms
176 degrees F = 3.84 K ohms
194 degrees F = 2.80 K ohms

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

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See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

Ignition switch diagram
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, ignition and fuse links diagram
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Computer, actuator & sensor diagrams
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Both code 34 & 51 point to possible bad signal ground from the sensors to the computer. The signal ground is th black/white wire that connects to pin 46 on the computer. Check the 10 pin salt and pepper shakers for possible connection problems

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See "Help me create the Surging Idle Checklist for help with your idle problems. The first two posts contains all the updates to the fixes. I continue to update it as more people post fixes or ask questions.
 
Awesome I am glad this is made clearer. I was looking at a FORD CD for my 93 and it was pointing to the heater tubes too. I am not sure how similier the to cars are but at least this sensor will be replaced!