really thinking about going with this motor, what do you guys think

[carbed87]

yeah, called them today, sure enough, it's $1200 but with a $260 core. didn't really seem to trustworthy though, i asked the lady if the rods they used were new or re-conditioned, and she said "for the most part they're new". so i dont know about these guys. i've been going from machine/engine shop to shop getting quotes, so hopefully i'll have something going here by the new year. you might have better luck talking to them billson, but i just didnt think they sounded very proffesional/trustworthy. when i called promar, they had a detailed answer for each one of my questions. so i really dont know right now.

 

[2000xp8]

You would use 24's on a gt40x engine.
The nice thing about the x engine is that it is like a factory engine, just with more power.

In caps above you have "WANT" in relation to E7 heads, question is why the hell would you WANT them?

 

[carbed87]

as in i dont want e6's or e5's...

 

[Daggar]

Carbed... hit me up on one of the chat proggies.

 

[billison]

Is the bottom end any differnt on the cobra motor than the stock gt 5.0?

 

[carbed87]

no, the heads are different and thats it.

 

[billison]

So as far as my 85 goes, if i just get a roller block and some gt 40 heads i'll be in about the same place as if i got a cobra motor aside from being able to say, i have a cobra motor....

 

[carbed87]

oh sorry, and cam.

 

[carbed87]

come to think of it i think they had roller rockers too, might be wrong though.

 

[billison]

i figured as much

 

[billison]

In the end, I'd be better off just getting a roller motor and a good set of heads,cam and intake, i'm getting ahead of myself , I only started saving yesterday

 

[caseywan]

I have the GT40 crate motor with E-cam (didn't buy, came with the car) and personally I would never buy one. They are way too much for the money. I mean $3500 for a stock block with crappy hyperteuctic pistons and rods, that usually will only put down 250 rwhp??? My car with the mods in the sig below ran 275wrhp on the dyno, when I first got it it ran 250 rhwp on the dyno (minus the e-fan and e-water pump, aluminum flywheel, and ignition system).

IMO, money is much better spent elswhere than a GT40 motor.

 

[93gtmustang]

I have the GT40 crate motor with E-cam (didn't buy, came with the car) and personally I would never buy one. They are way too much for the money. I mean $3500 for a stock block with crappy hyperteuctic pistons and rods, that usually will only put down 250 rwhp??? My car with the mods in the sig below ran 275wrhp on the dyno, when I first got it it ran 250 rhwp on the dyno (minus the e-fan and e-water pump, aluminum flywheel, and ignition system).

IMO, money is much better spent elswhere than a GT40 motor.

I agree. And I just purchase a GT-40 Ford racing Crate Motor with b cam, yet to be installed. Very true,you can get more for your money elsewhere. But it depends on what you want from a motor, such as how streetable, reliable, and what you are basically using it for. I'm using mine for drag racing and some street driving.

In the original post by carbed87, he basically just wants a fresh stock motor or a little more hp, not a radical combo for his car, which is daily driven and he is using his old motor as a learning tool on how to build a motor.

My old motor , has a vibration a 4-5000rpms. I went through the long task of researching and debating on what I should purchase or rebuild, within a certain price range. I went with the GT-40 because, to have my motor fixed it would have cost about the same as the crate, but less horse power. Easy choice.

And yes, caseywan you are right , you can spend your money better ewlsewhere.
But you will spend more when you add up everything!!!! If you look at what you are getting with a Ford Racing Crate, and what little you have to upgrade on your stock Mustang to do the swap, it is money well spent. I know there are numerous engine shops offering bored 306, 331,347 strokers with forged pistons and rods making some serious horse power. But then your talking alot of upgrades that go with this new combo. That's where it gets expensive, let alone the extra cost of the engine and a new transmission to handle the power.. Ignitions,intakes,chip and dyno tunes, even a new hood to fit the engine under. And what engine company do you go with? They are popping up everywhere with their impressive web sites on how well they build your motor!!
I checked out DSS Racing. Their crate motor came in at about $5400.00, figuring in everything I needed with it. I believe it had forged pistons and rods, trickflow heads, nice package really. But it was $2000.00 more and $2000.00 that I didn't have. If you have the ability, tools and work area, you can buy a short block and build up the rest youself and save and get better quality. But if you don't, I think the GT-40 Ford Racing Crate is a good deal.

 

[93gtmustang]

Past quotes in defense of the GT-40 Crate Motor.

I had that exact same crate motor in my old stang and it would put down 285 on the dyno all day long. It may not the best value for the horsepower but I tell you it is reliable as you can get. I would take it to the strip every week and out on saturday nights for 2 years straight, put over 40,000 miles on it this way and never broke a thing on the motor. I then put a supercharger on it and ran it another 1.5 years and put another 20,000 on it. Then sold it to my friend 4 years ago who still has it and has put 80,000 miles on it and has never been in the shop for motor repairs and still puts down almost 400 to the wheels with the supercharger. Can't get any better than that for the money!

Reliability

I do not think you can go wrong with that motor honestly. Sure everyone will tell you to get a DSS or something else that will get you more power and the block will handle more power alot later. But who really needs more than 400 to wheels anyway? While most of them are fixing stuff a couple of times a year and cars in the shop you will be driving yours. By the way the car I was telling you I used to have was my daily driver too.

I now have a 347 stroker with a vortech. But you have to remember the higher you go with HP the less driveable the car will be for everyday driving, Especially with this kind of block. I still have a stock block and I am pushing 600 at the motor, almost 500 to the wheels now. If you plan on pushing that kind of power you have to get a girdle, bigger oil pump and shaft and suggest ARP studs and ARP head studs and the motor might hold up for awhile which is what I am hoping because it is not supposed to handle that kind of power, and that is not reliable high HP transportation. Any more than that and you should get the DSS or others with 4 bolt mains if you want it to last.

Don't forget, higher horse power + more torque = new transmission which equals more money spent!!!!!

 

[Daggar]

And yes, caseywan you are right , you can spend your money better ewlsewhere.
But you will spend more when you add up everything!!!! If you look at what you are getting with a Ford Racing Crate, and what little you have to upgrade on your stock Mustang to do the swap, it is money well spent. I know there are numerous engine shops offering bored 306, 331,347 strokers with forged pistons and rods making some serious horse power. But then your talking alot of upgrades that go with this new combo. That's where it gets expensive, let alone the extra cost of the engine and a new transmission to handle the power.. Ignitions,intakes,chip and dyno tunes, even a new hood to fit the engine under. And what engine company do you go with? They are popping up everywhere with their impressive web sites on how well they build your motor!!
I checked out DSS Racing. Their crate motor came in at about $5400.00, figuring in everything I needed with it. I believe it had forged pistons and rods, trickflow heads, nice package really. But it was $2000.00 more and $2000.00 that I didn't have. If you have the ability, tools and work area, you can buy a short block and build up the rest youself and save and get better quality. But if you don't, I think the GT-40 Ford Racing Crate is a good deal.

I just wanted to quote this section of the above post. It summarizes things pretty well. I might also add that many times, I see the FMS crate motors compared (in price) to strokers offered by company X. What's usually left out is that the FMS crate motors are complete from valve cover to oil pan where these other motors are not.

 

[carbed87]

the only thing thats deferring me from the gt-40 crate motor is that it will eat up my entire motor budget, and on top of that i still need to convert to mass air and get new injectore...etc

 

[2000xp8]

What's usually left out is that the FMS crate motors are complete from valve cover to oil pan where these other motors are not.

Exactly.
Putting an engine together gets very expensive, gaskets, head bolts, timing chain, oil pump, flywheel.

So getting a real ford engine, with a 12,000 mile warranty for $3000+ sounds expensive, but you are getting a package.
Installed correctly with a gt40 or cobra intake, with 24's the correct meter, and a 65mm TB, it will put down 285 easy, and run like it just came off the showroom floor, along with passing inspection.