RNH PERFORMANCE

[Daggar]

Don't make the mistake of lumping everyone into one basket. Having a problem and being misled by a builder you've dealt with does not mean that your circumstances can be applied to all.

Sorry about your situation dude. Really, I have been there. I have heard all the lame ass excuses a builder has to offer. Bottom line is he fed you another line. No doubt about it.

You do not have the information necessary to make this assessment nor do you know if it is true.

I don't know the guy...

Actually, you don't have the information necessary to make an assessment at all.


It's a wonderful thing to have a forum where you can express data, opinion, concern, and caution. In your shoes, faced with the scenario you were faced with in the situation surrounding your build, I can certainly see where I would put a caution out there and describe my experiences. That though, is where it should end. Without first hand knowledge, you can't assign data from one situation to another. You can not manufacture circumstances for an individual because it was true of another.

Let's try and keep things in perspective and function off of what we KNOW... not what we think might be the case.

 

[bubba-dough]

I know you are a bit partial to Rick having dealt with him. But look at it from the original posters view and keep an open mind. Again Rick could be having these issues. I am sorry if he is. It sucks. He has a good rep and should be proud of it.

I did 2x's say I wasn't bashing him and I am not now either. This guy Rick could totally be having all the problems he describes. And I am not saying he is ripping him off. I just don't buy the story.

Here are the facts:
-He has had his parts / money for way too long since March.
-He has admitted to the delay (reguardless of reason) You stilll have a business to run.
-He just did recently return calls and/ or emails
-He goes from a broken pipe to wiping out a puter to a bad cell phone. True. It could all be coincidence.
-He told another guy in this thread 2 months ago he could do it in 6-weeks.

I run a business out of my home as well as attend college (because of my plant closing) anyway I keep all records on my puter as well as a hard copy with each project so I am never in the dark or in the event something like Rick describes happens. I always know who, what, when and where something is or who it goes to and there contact info.

Its just deju vu and I know a few others have had and heard similar things from people. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.............its a duck.

 

[Daggar]

Understood and I'm not implying that you are unwlecome to post your suspicions but I do caution about implying facts that are not in evidence. (I hope that illustrates the difference).

In relation to the broken pipe... the fact is that the room containing his computer is DIRECTLY NEXT to the kitchen. Standing in the kitchen gives you a direct view of the computer area. It's not a case where the computer is upstairs or something. The broken pipe and dead computer are directly related.

As for the rest, I have no direct knowledge and can not attest to it... but neither can you, nor should you unless you have first hand knowledge of the circumstances.

Caution is good! Expressing your concern is good and I understand that from your perspective, I think. Just ensure that you express that as a possibility... not a hard fact.

Do you see the difference?

Others and I, have already attested to Rick's character. These are people who have direct knowledge of that character. Take it for what it's worth. We've dealt personally with him.

 

[stangonline]

Rick just sent me an email answering a question I had asked (I have been talking with him about having an engine built as well) so I know he's online. Hopefully he will chime in here and shed some light on the issue because I for one don't want to wait 8-10 months for an engine.

 

[bubba-dough]

for Dags

 

[tunedin302]

I have talked to Rick on several occasions over the past few years and he is a very very stand-up guy. He is the type of guy that wouldn't be able to sleep at night if he was ripping people off.

I have complete faith that Rick will pull through for you. Unfortunately, Rick is a one man show so it takes more time for him to get the final product out the door, especially since his reputation for great engines has become known to many in recent times, thereby increasing the demand for his motors. Additionally, I personally would rather wait 10+ months for Rick's work rather than have some other engine builders (CHP, DSS, etc.) final product. It will be worth it in the end

 

[GroverDill]

I got my RNH jewel, and lets just say that motor is worth than my whole car..

Have faith!

 

[HISSIN50]

I agree. We've seen that you sometimes wait for the best (I'd rather do so than be overnight'd a steaming pile of crap in a nice box). Exempli Gratia: I feel the same way regarding Baskin and his controllers during those times when there's a delay.

All anyone can ask is for an individual to thoughtfully put himself in Rick's place and think about what he'd be doing. I'd be sweating big-time if that happened to me, business concerns aside.

I wish Rick the best with getting things straightened out.

 

[stangonline]

Put myself in Ricks place? How about putting yourself in the customers place?..which happens to be $8K+ out of pocket since March, Im sure.

The last thing I'll say about this is: "He's a stand up guy" only cuts it for so long...and it's wearing a little thin in light of all of these excuses and the super long delay. You guys are quick to defend him - but you should at least be able to admit that you can see where 9350coupe is coming from and that from his perspective, this is a deal that sounds bad and could easily result in the loss of his money. You guys might not remember, but over the years there have been quite a few people and companies on here and the corral who were otherwise well respected - just to crash in the end, always burning a handful of people. Whether Rick can control it or not, this has all of those same signs - I'm not surprised that people are worried and I doubt Rick will blame him for his concerns in the end.

 

[bubba-dough]

All anyone can ask is for an individual to thoughtfully put himself in Rick's place and think about what he'd be doing. I'd be sweating big-time if that happened to me, business concerns aside.

hahahahhahaha...put yourself in the customers place who has put 4, 5, 6 or more grand in Ricks trust.

Put myself in Ricks place? How about putting yourself in the customers place?..which happens to be $8K+ out of pocket since March, Im sure.

The last thing I'll say about this is: "He's a stand up guy" only cuts it for so long...and it's wearing a little thin in light of all of these excuses and the super long delay. You guys are quick to defend him - but you should at least be able to admit that you can see where 9350coupe is coming from and that from his perspective, this is a deal that sounds bad and could easily result in the loss of his money. You guys might not remember, but over the years there have been quite a few people and companies on here and the corral who were otherwise well respected - just to crash in the end, always burning a handful of people. Whether Rick can control it or not, this has all of those same signs - I'm not surprised that people are worried and I doubt Rick will blame him for his concerns in the end.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[Daggar]

Put myself in Ricks place? How about putting yourself in the customers place?..which happens to be $8K+ out of pocket since March, Im sure.

The last thing I'll say about this is: "He's a stand up guy" only cuts it for so long...and it's wearing a little thin in light of all of these excuses and the super long delay. You guys are quick to defend him - but you should at least be able to admit that you can see where 9350coupe is coming from and that from his perspective, this is a deal that sounds bad and could easily result in the loss of his money. You guys might not remember, but over the years there have been quite a few people and companies on here and the corral who were otherwise well respected - just to crash in the end, always burning a handful of people. Whether Rick can control it or not, this has all of those same signs - I'm not surprised that people are worried and I doubt Rick will blame him for his concerns in the end.

Yep...

I think we've done our best to acknowledge the concerns. All we can do is offer reassurance based upon first hand and one-on-one dealings with the man.

 

[94Silverbullet]

All you guys better back off!! I'M NEXT in line!! lol! Trust me, I doubt anyone has been waiting longer than me. I've been waiting since Sept of 2005!

I heard from Rick today, and things come up as you read in the email - busy with work, and some home emergencies. The last thing I was worried about was loosing my money. He's done good work for me and others in the past, and he won't let you put junk in your car, and won't just slap together parts. He'll make sure it's right. I know it will be worth the wait. The only problem now is, I have a deadline and need the car very soon.

 

[GroverDill]

hahahahhahaha...put yourself in the customers place who has put 4, 5, 6 or more grand in Ricks trust.

I was that customer, to the tune of near 12k total. I waited longer than I would have liked, but I am 100% confident I was shipped a top quality product.

 

[bubba-dough]

I understand waiting for something that you know is gonna be done right and to know you get quality but this is crazy. I have put an engine together in a weekend. Don't take on jobs you can't complete in a timely manner reguardless of your "rep" or your quality.

hahahahahah you want to offer reassurance about your pal based on what? That you have bought something from him. Or that others have. Why not offer the other side as well - that he may be getting screwed or that he has waited way too long. Or that Rick may be having more troubles than meets the eye. Just because I got a good deal from company "a" a month ago doesn't mean that you will get a good deal from them, or that you won't loose your money, wait too long, have a bad experience or that the company may go belly up. Come on! None of you know what the real story is, just as I don't know. But damn, why take a guys side over someone who has a legitimate concern over an investment that he has entrusted in Rick. Uh oh - do I hear the lock comin on.

 

[stangonline]

All you guys better back off!! I'M NEXT in line!! lol! Trust me, I doubt anyone has been waiting longer than me. I've been waiting since Sept of 2005!

I heard from Rick today, and things come up as you read in the email - busy with work, and some home emergencies. The last thing I was worried about was loosing my money. He's done good work for me and others in the past, and he won't let you put junk in your car, and won't just slap together parts. He'll make sure it's right. I know it will be worth the wait. The only problem now is, I have a deadline and need the car very soon.

holy crap..14 MONTHS? Did he have to go mine the iron ore from the mountains to then pour into his personal Dart mold in the forge he has in his garage?
I hope Rick can prove this wrong but this situation has the complete makings of someone who took money/deposits/parts in advance to build engines but then somehow ran out of those funds and is feeding excuses to buy time...I mean, how the hell else could it take 14 MONTHS to build an engine?

9350coupe said his shortblock was done over 2 months ago (he even has pictures that Rick sent). I would think if Rick started to assemble the rest of the motor, that he could have it shipped out by Friday/Monday at the latest.


I'm sorry guys - the more I see and think about this, the more ridiculous it sounds. If you guys cant smell something funky here...I just don't know what to tell you....Actually, you guys have your noses SO far up his ass, I would think you would be the ones to smell it first.

 

[Daggar]

Bubba - My question would be:

Why do you insist on attempting to try and cast the worse light on an issue or individual that you know nothing about?

You act as if no regard has been given to the original poster's concern. That is not true.

Once again, that concern HAS been acknowledged and relavant information has been supplied as to SPECIFIC dealings with RNH Performance and more importantly, the character of the Rick.

This is not just some company that I ordered a part though. This is a man I stood shoulder to shoulder with for a week's time. A man who bent over backwards to complete not just the build of my motor, but also the installation (something he did not have to do). This is a person who welcomed me to stay in his home while my car was down for the build and swap (something he did not have to do). This is a man who took an entire day off of his regular job because machining issues came up that set us back on the build and fitment problems that set us back on the install. This is a man who worked on finishing my car on his own even though he had the flu because we were unable to complete the job together in the time that I had to be in town.

I'm not referring to someone that I just bought a part from.

I can also attest that I know (without having specifics) that he's behind for a good reason. How? Because he's still not sent me an invoice for money that I still owe!

I don't blame you for your negative take on the situation. I think it's probably the result of multiple bad dealings that you've had but once again...

Try and not apply your experiences with those other people to every situation you come across. The bottom line is that you don't know Rick, never meant him, but you sure do like to generalize. You don't jsut go around and slander someone you don't know with zero... absolutely ZERO information on the matter.

 

[stangonline]

Bubba - My question would be:

Why do you insist on attempting to try and cast the worse light on an issue or individual that you know nothing about?

You act as if no regard has been given to the original poster's concern. That is not true.

Once again, that concern HAS been acknowledged and relavant information has been supplied as to SPECIFIC dealings with RNH Performance and more importantly, the character of the Rick.

This is not just some company that I ordered a part though. This is a man I stood shoulder to shoulder with for a week's time. A man who bent over backwards to complete not just the build of my motor, but also the installation (something he did not have to do). This is a person who welcomed me to stay in his home while my car was down for the build and swap (something he did not have to do). This is a man who took an entire day off of his regular job because machining issues came up that set us back on the build and fitment problems that set us back on the install. This is a man who worked on finishing my car on his own even though he had the flu because we were unable to complete the job together in the time that I had to be in town.

I'm not referring to someone that I just bought a part from.

I can also attest that I know (without having specifics) that he's behind for a good reason. How? Because he's still not sent me an invoice for money that I still owe!

I don't blame you for your negative take on the situation. I think it's probably the result of multiple bad dealings that you've had but once again...

Try and not apply your experiences with those other people to every situation you come across. The bottom line is that you don't know Rick, never meant him, but you sure do like to generalize. You don't jsut go around and slander someone you don't know with zero... absolutely ZERO information on the matter.

Don't blame my assumptions on some character flaw or previous bad dealings. I'm just putting 2 and 2 together based on the happenings here, that is all. FYI - there are some other things that would make Rick look not-so-honest, but I'm not ready to pull the pin on THAT one yet.

You know what I was thinking as I read that? I was thinking that maybe he took care of you quicker because you were there, breathing down his neck.

I have said nothing bad about him personally or professionally - I have just said that there is a legitimate concern here based on the information. If you guys want to comfort and coddle John (9350coupe), that's up to you. If Rick comes through for John and 94SilverBullet before X-mas, that's great - I'll appologize to Rick and each of you who I disagree with. Right now, my bet is on more excuses before we seen an engine. $20 anyone?

 

[Daggar]

Now this is just becoming a free-for-all. This is not a sport or a betting pool.

The man asked for information in regard to RNH performance. There have been replies from those who know him and those who don't.

I can't see potential for the thread to progress.

 

[bubba-dough]

Try and not apply your experiences with those other people to every situation you come across. The bottom line is that you don't know Rick, never meant him, but you sure do like to generalize. You don't jsut go around and slander someone you don't know with zero... absolutely ZERO information on the matter.

Take your own advise before handing it out to me, Hitler. haha. Just because you had a good experience with him doesn't mean we all will. How long did you wait? March?...come on. I have all the info you have sir so don't give me the bs that I don't have facts. Do you think I am some 18 yr old that hasn't lived. So you can leave your "up in ricks arse" diabtribe to someone that is uneducated.

Who in the world cares that you have dealt with him. Big deal. The same question turned to you. Why do you insist that its all positive. There again, oh wait you have dealt with him oooo. Not everyone has a good experience with everyone.

The only reguard you have given to the original poster is a pacifier that "I have dealt with him, he is a stand up guy" The same can hold true that it could be a sour deal or at the least (and I hope this is true) that it is just taking him way too long to do his stuff.

 

[Daggar]

You've put your own education in question. Hitler?

I'll take that to mean that you're unable to hold conversation or debate and maintain a civil tone.

The facts are:

You DON'T know the individual
You DON'T know the circumstances
You've not even had a dealing with Rick or even any of the others involved.

You've take your bad experiences and applied it to a situation you have no knowledge or involvement in.


That aside, you will keep a civil tone or you will be gone. Refer to the stickies at the top of this forum and the Terms of Service for the entire board.
If you're unable to disagree and converse about that diagreement without resorting to personal attack then you need not remain.