Some hope for the V6

[tehnick]

There is an exciting project on one of the other forums that I post on where there is a collaboration between a few members that will successfully enable a person to throw an M112 on a 3.8L V6 engine. I guess the install is taking place later this month with testing and dyno tuning shortly afterwards. The best part is that the car being used is the same year as mine and if this works then it would appear that I have another option in powering this car. So far, there are a list of parts that I know I will need for sure, but the price looks to be less than throwing on a turbo or procharger even with the cost of the needed cowl hood and paint. In terms of install, that is the sucky part because I have no garage to tackle the project and would need to take the car to a shop, pay for the install, and the dyno tuning. That is the part of the cost that will flucuate the most which may end up being more than i want to spend.

 

[The Factor]

Thats a costly project.

 

[Unbrdld07]

MAYBE some of the MANLY MEN will offer to help out a fellow Stanger.....Oh I forgot there aren't any here.

 

[The Factor]

MAYBE some of the MANLY MEN will offer to help out a fellow Stanger.....Oh I forgot there aren't any here.

Maybe they are and are just hiding

 

[tehnick]

Thats a costly project.

It's really not too shabby. I have found some take-off M112's for around $450 when they were swapped for KB's. I have a rough estimate of it being around the $4,000 mark with parts, install, and tune factored in. I have been watching deals on parts here and there, but it is not yet known what all will be needed for this project to give 100%. It may exceed my budget though, and if so, it's back to the drawing board.

You gotta admit though, it would be badass to see a blown V6 with a M112 under the hood. I am sure I would be the only guy in the area pulling it off so the unique factor would be badass.

 

[WaterPog]

http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=35807.0

 

[saleenster]

http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=35807.0

Wicked

 

[tehnick]

http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=35807.0

Matt is a stud. I believe he ran 9.xx at an event a month or so back. Not sure if it was the mentioned car in that thread, but Matt and Delk are making a name for themselves in the V6 community like SSX has been doing. _J_ is another guy with a sweet V6, running a nice twin turbo kit from Andy over at TMATurbo.

It's tough deciding what to do. Wait it out for the M112 project, give Andy a call to discuss a turbo kit, or see about getting a procharger. Thing is, I want to avoid tapping the oil pan for a turbo install incase I need to revert back to stock and don't want to have a plugged tap in the pan. Too many decisions

 

[almostblown]

tehnick- I have an M112 on my SOHC 4.0, it put down 270rwhp with wich more power to be had, long story, but the problem is now corrected. I had everything on there for about $2000 (probably a bit more once we hit the dyno for session #2: methanol), granted, we made the intake. I found the M112 on eBay for $300. Chung cant figure out what the problem is with it now, hopefully thinjgs get ironed out quickly, because it doesnt feel anywhere close to 270rwhp. It only ran 15.0, then the following weekend it ran a best of 15.8... something is wrong.

Not exactly sure how the 3.8 looks under the hood as far as intake and such, but a few things to consider... will the MAF peg? Are the injectors going to provide enough fuel? Will the pump deliver the fuel?

Good luck.

 

[tehnick]

tehnick- I have an M112 on my SOHC 4.0, it put down 270rwhp with wich more power to be had, long story, but the problem is now corrected. I had everything on there for about $2000 (probably a bit more once we hit the dyno for session #2: methanol), granted, we made the intake. I found the M112 on eBay for $300. Chung cant figure out what the problem is with it now, hopefully thinjgs get ironed out quickly, because it doesnt feel anywhere close to 270rwhp. It only ran 15.0, then the following weekend it ran a best of 15.8... something is wrong.

Not exactly sure how the 3.8 looks under the hood as far as intake and such, but a few things to consider... will the MAF peg? Are the injectors going to provide enough fuel? Will the pump deliver the fuel?

Good luck.

As far as I know, there will be fuel upgrades needed and there may be issues with the MAF pegging. I know for a fact that Justin over at VMP Tuning sells Procharger kits designed to work for the 3.8L V6 Mustangs and the kits have 42lb injectors, an upgraded fuel pump, and a MAF extender as part of the kit. I have been told that you can run 4.4 psi on a turbo with a stock 3.8L engine with no fuel upgrades. With the progress, it is expected that the M112 will dump 6-8 psi straight into the engine, so I assume that upgraded injectors and a MAF extender would be ideal just to be safe. It has been said that anymore boost with a non built engine would be suicide and would completely destroy it. I am not too mechanically inclined and don't have much experience turning wrenches, so I don't think that I am qualified enough to tell you what will all be needed but I have been following the thread as closely as possible to keep myself in the know.

I don't think it would hurt to upgrade the injectors, get a MAF extender, and upgrade to a SVT Focus pump. I think that as long as the computer is flashed to match the larger injectors, it should regulate the fuel to keep it from running too rich to match the tune. The project on the 3.8Mustang forums has been around for awhile with slow progress. A few of the mods have threatened to lock the thread because of the time taken to finish the project. I do know that the guys behind it are close to done and predict to be done around the 27th to get the cars in for testing and dyno tuning. They have 2 test cars, one an older single port and the other a newer split port. If everything goes accordingly, I am going to start budgeting for the project and get a few parts at a time until it is done. There should be a complete parts list soon for this project, but I am afraid that I will need a cowl hood so I have postponed the painting of my hood scoop until I have confirmed info.

Oh, I take it you have a S197?

 

[almostblown]

Its actually a 2003 Ranger. Theres a thread laying around with a bunch of pictures, might be a few pages back. I peak at about 12psi. The engine will need more than MAF and injector calibration, and trust me, you wouldnt want a blown motor because lack of tuning. My truck doesnt read the fuel pressure when the Predator is plugged in, but from what the gauge tells me, my truck puts out about 69psi and drops down to about 65psi under load. You really want to watch the fuel pressure to make sure the fuel is getting to where it needs to be. For my fuel system, we upgraded to an SVT Focus fuel pump, 42# injectors, and a 2002 (I believe) MAF. Depending on the year of your car, if it has a 6 pin MAF connector, 2000-2003 Mustng GT MAFs will work. Some of the F-250s also had the same connector. For some reason, Ford wanted the Idle Air Temperature (IAT) to be intergrated into the MAF, they only did it for a few years, tracking one down sucked.

Definatly bring it down to a dyno for tuning, to be on the safe side.

 

[tehnick]

Its actually a 2003 Ranger. Theres a thread laying around with a bunch of pictures, might be a few pages back. I peak at about 12psi. The engine will need more than MAF and injector calibration, and trust me, you wouldnt want a blown motor because lack of tuning. My truck doesnt read the fuel pressure when the Predator is plugged in, but from what the gauge tells me, my truck puts out about 69psi and drops down to about 65psi under load. You really want to watch the fuel pressure to make sure the fuel is getting to where it needs to be. For my fuel system, we upgraded to an SVT Focus fuel pump, 42# injectors, and a 2002 (I believe) MAF. Depending on the year of your car, if it has a 6 pin MAF connector, 2000-2003 Mustng GT MAFs will work. Some of the F-250s also had the same connector. For some reason, Ford wanted the Idle Air Temperature (IAT) to be intergrated into the MAF, they only did it for a few years, tracking one down sucked.

Definatly bring it down to a dyno for tuning, to be on the safe side.

As is stands, I am just waiting patiently to see what the outcome of the project is before I just rush in and start buying the parts only to find that there are issues or other things that will lead me to headache and disaster. I prefer that someone else blow their engine to pieces before I do, especially since this car is my DD and I have to be extra careful. I am pretty sure that my MAF has the IAT integraged into it with it being a 2002. On some of the parts lists that one of the developers has, he is pretty much using an 03 Cobra MAF, TB, injectors, and other parts to make sure the fitment and capabilities of everything are as closely matched as possible.

I have all of the time in the world for this to complete, and I am currently debating between a turbo kit from TMATurbo or going the Procharger route. I do know that with whatever path I take, I will make sure to have it dyno'd and tuned. There some other things I need to do before laying the cash down on forced induction, such as exhaust, wheels, and tires. I would rather spend as little money as possible, but the Procharger and turbo kit are considerably expensive. I think the Procharger is probably the best between the two because the turbo kit alone is $3,500 and it does not include an upgraded MAF, upgraded injectors, upgraded pump, or anything else to make sure that the car runs at it's best. The Procharger kit I can score comes with all of that stuff, plus a wideband and also an XCal 2. The guy that sells the kit will perform an e-tune which will be sufficient enough for me to at least get the car down for dyno tuning to fine tune it.

Lots of different possibilities. I don't intend on taking this car to the track, but I would like some extra power to play with here and there. Eventually I will get myself an older fox to tinker with and begin the course of learning mechanics. Now that I recall, I do remember your project for the Ranger. I just couldn't remember what you were doing in terms of FI, but it is slowly coming back to me now. Durrrr

 

[saleenster]

Here is my only advise. Dont buy cheap parts! You get what you pay for! Spend the money for top notch parts because it will benefit you in the long run. If you are debating or waiting on others, I would always wonder why. Why wait? If you dont have the money, thats one thing, but dont wait bro. You can NEVER have enough fuel. Whatever price you have in your head, remember, you should had 50% to the cost, cause it's not a cut and dry item. If you start short changing yourself, you will hurt not only your car but the tuner/installer's time and patience. Get the best money can buy. If you go faster, you need better brakes. If you make more power, you need to upgrade your cooling system......see my pt.

 

[tehnick]

Here is my only advise. Dont buy cheap parts! You get what you pay for! Spend the money for top notch parts because it will benefit you in the long run. If you are debating or waiting on others, I would always wonder why. Why wait? If you dont have the money, thats one thing, but dont wait bro. You can NEVER have enough fuel. Whatever price you have in your head, remember, you should had 50% to the cost, cause it's not a cut and dry item. If you start short changing yourself, you will hurt not only your car but the tuner/installer's time and patience. Get the best money can buy. If you go faster, you need better brakes. If you make more power, you need to upgrade your cooling system......see my pt.

I agree, the only reason for me waiting is to see what success others have with this project. I don't want to be one of the few experimenting with something that hasn't really been done before only to find that I have completely hosed my engine or damaged something else expensive. I can't afford extended downtime because my car is my DD, so I want to make sure that things are a success before I tackle this project. I will make sure that the parts I buy aren't used, and that what I buy is intended for the application of what I want to do. I want to do it right the first time, and I can go a little longer without the extra power to make sure that I research as much as possible to make sure that I get the most reliable performance.

I am also short on cash too, so I will be buying a part here and there until it is complete. I am thinking that perhaps I might bite the bullet and get a roommate so I can cut my rent in half to apply towards parts. That's an extra $300 a month right there. I am not in any hurry to get it done and still have plenty of time. I don't want to rush things

 

[saleenster]

I agree, the only reason for me waiting is to see what success others have with this project. I don't want to be one of the few experimenting with something that hasn't really been done before only to find that I have completely hosed my engine or damaged something else expensive. I can't afford extended downtime because my car is my DD, so I want to make sure that things are a success before I tackle this project. I will make sure that the parts I buy aren't used, and that what I buy is intended for the application of what I want to do. I want to do it right the first time, and I can go a little longer without the extra power to make sure that I research as much as possible to make sure that I get the most reliable performance.

I am also short on cash too, so I will be buying a part here and there until it is complete. I am thinking that perhaps I might bite the bullet and get a roommate so I can cut my rent in half to apply towards parts. That's an extra $300 a month right there. I am not in any hurry to get it done and still have plenty of time. I don't want to rush things

The theory on reliable performance is a myth. No such thing. If you add performance, stuff will break. Sounds like your just looking to add a power adder, so I am assuming this is the project your referring too. Again, why wait? 3.8 is no longer in the Stang, and there are kits that have been out for a while. The Vortech is a decent kit, but the Procharger is top notch for street driving if your looking at a blower kit. All cars can be a project, but here is a key pt to me, adding performance parts to your daily driver is not recommanded. Stuff will happen and your car could/will be down for a few days which to me is the real project

 

[loud 95]

The theory on reliable performance is a myth. No such thing. If you add performance, stuff will break. Sounds like your just looking to add a power adder, so I am assuming this is the project your referring too. Again, why wait? 3.8 is no longer in the Stang, and there are kits that have been out for a while. The Vortech is a decent kit, but the Procharger is top notch for street driving if your looking at a blower kit. All cars can be a project, but here is a key pt to me, adding performance parts to your daily driver is not recommanded. Stuff will happen and your car could/will be down for a few days which to me is the real project

This sounds like a guy who has been having head gasket problems! j/k. I pretty much agree with you. There is a reason that I have two vehicles... When one breaks, I drive the other.