ok, whent to the junk yard and got a complete driver side harness and compared the two and find the ground i could not find, it had been cut and tucked, anyway i got the window motors to work, sounded crazy, first time they moved in like 4 years....eek, any way, i've found that it is true the ground is ran through the driver side and the drivers side is a must for everything eles, the passenger side is not, it just controlls the passenger side window and allows it to be hooked up. Now i just need to remove the manual window stuff and install the motors and find a way to make the switches look good, any ideas