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billbosc

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Sounds mine im going with suped up arms. Best reccomend action? Money is no object. I am
In the marihuana industry and have all the money in the world. Doesn anyone give credit? I am kinda broke.


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Maximum Motorsports lower control arms and toss the quads...
 
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Without quad shocks, even a 4 cyl and manual tranny can really wheel hop. It is very fun to watch until you think what it has to be doing to the parts. All you have to do is fill up the air shocks and dump the clutch with a little breaking pressure. It is like a b ball dribbling contest.

Which brings the serious points. The more parallel to the floor pan/ground the lower arm is, I predict the less wheel hop you will get. If you get stiff enough bushings to not need the quads, what is the chance of increasing suspension binding? Old bushings are bad, but rock hard ones do not twist well in corners, then we argue about what brand of better stuff to go with.
 

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7991LXnSHO said:
Without quad shocks, even a 4 cyl and manual tranny can really wheel hop. It is very fun to watch until you think what it has to be doing to the parts. All you have to do is fill up the air shocks and dump the clutch with a little breaking pressure. It is like a b ball dribbling contest.

Which brings the serious points. The more parallel to the floor pan/ground the lower arm is, I predict the less wheel hop you will get. If you get stiff enough bushings to not need the quads, what is the chance of increasing suspension binding? Old bushings are bad, but rock hard ones do not twist well in corners, then we argue about what brand of better stuff to go with.
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Yeah here it comes: "these tore my torque boxes, well I had the same ones and they didn't tear mine," etc etc. I do hear that the axel side bushing that MM sells is a re-branded of some house brand, just thought I'd throw that out there. Here's a link, it's not where I originally read it but it's been covered in a few forums. Maximum Motorsports and Ford bushing
 

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billbosc said:
Sounds mine im going with suped up arms. Best reccomend action? Money is no object. I am
In the marihuana industry and have all the money in the world. Doesn anyone give credit? I am kinda broke.


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89oem said:
Maximum Motorsports lower control arms and toss the quads...
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Not necessarily.

I have MM arms, and still had wheel hope. I bought new quads and installed them and problem was gone.


LCA's are not the end-all solution. If you can fit the quad shocks, you should run them regardless.
 
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I'm just gonna get the skinnier quad shocks and be done with it. Flip em around and every thing is on place


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Put the quad shocks back on if you took them off or don’t have them installed.

The quad shocks are a roll of the dice. No matter what the combination of tires, control arms and shocks, some cars will wheel hop without quad shocks and some won't. There are so many variables in 34-18 year old cars with wear, misalignment and combinations of suspension components and tires that one unchanging answer won't work for everyone.

I personally would install them, and make sure they are in good shape. I do know this, that Ford is cheap. If they could have made changes in some simple component like bushings or control arm construction and saved $10, they would have done it. Multiply $10 times all the Fox body Mustangs ever made and you would be almost as rich as Donald Trump. That's a lot of $$$, and good incentive to engineer something to do away with the quad shocks.
 
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hoopty5.0 said:
I run a 17x10 with a 275 in the rear. I removed the quad shocks altogether though. I'm 99% sure the b/s is 6.5"
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17x10 you can run up to a 315+ with a little work
 

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So do you think the quad shocks are not necessary? I dont know a lot about the suspension. I just got everything new and installed it. I only assumed they were necessary because they were on there lol.. But if they can come off I would def do that and when I get new rims I will got wider as well.
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Quad Shocks are old technology and there fore absolute! Throw them away and go WID#E!
 

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So I re did the whole suspension. New rims and tires. The rims are 17x9 in rear 2mm offset. the passenger rear tire just barely rubs the quad shock. tiny squeak. so we put a small quarter inch spacer. here is my question. what offset are you guys normally running? should i go bigger offset? I believe the tires are 275/45 or 40. pretty sure 45 though. its at shop getting alignment so i cant look right this second.
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2 mm offset is way off. IMO im pretty sure 18+_to 24 mm offset is key
 
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Lmao!!!!!!!!!! I didnt put the 0. they are 20mm off set lol. my bad folks
 

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Gabriel 14039 Steering Damper:Amazon:Automotive

It's listed as a steering damper but it's used as oem replacement quad shocks. Parts stores sometime still have them but don't ask for a quad shock, give them the gabiel part #. And yes, these can be flipped for tire clearance.
 

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UPR upper and lower control arms here...took the quad shocks off for weight saving. Cut 1.60 60s, no hop at all.
 

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UPR upper and lower control arms here...took the quad shocks off for weight saving. Cut 1.60 60s, no hop at all.
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Saved 4 pounds. But at least you upgraded control arms I guess. I've heard of guys removing them to save the 4-5 pounds w stock arms. Oh brother... @hoopty5.0
 
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Just take a huge crap if concerned with 2-3 pounds of weight.
 
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Saved 4 pounds. But at least you upgraded control arms I guess. I've heard of guys removing them to save the 4-5 pounds w stock arms. Oh brother... @hoopty5.0
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Just take a huge crap if concerned with 2-3 pounds of weight.
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I was being sarcastic. But the point was in most cases quad shocks don't work. I could never tell a difference with them on or off at any power level or suspension setup I had.

But every three pounds eventually adds up.
 

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I was being sarcastic. But the point was in most cases quad shocks don't work. I could never tell a difference with them on or off at any power level or suspension setup I had.

But every three pounds eventually adds up.
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Whether or not quads help or not, is unique to each car, not many here run the same control arms, same springs, same tires and same shocks. It's a combination of parts. I've had wheel hop and not had wheel hop, never did truly figure what it was, sometimes it still happens, but it's tolerable.
If they can fit, by default imo you run them.

I think we all get the point, some people don't need them, but assuming nobody does and suggesting to ditch them instead of experimenting with and without them is kinda arrogant.
 
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Was kidding about the taking a crap thing too.

Although I did know a guy who did that before making passes at the track. Wondered what the hell he was eating....


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