Hey im new to this forum. i been searching but have not been able to get this info. I want to know if the transmission out a 4 cylinder from 87-93 would fit a 302 5.0L from 92-93 the engine is out of a Thunderbird but its H.O. and i been looking for transmission from gt but cant find one at good price. If it does fit What mods are needed in order to make it work with the 302 5.0L. Thank you
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Belhousing is not compatible.
If we are talking about a manual trans-you can bolt it to a 302 bellhousing. Automatic then no,it won't bolt up.
If we are talking about a manual trans-you can bolt it to a 302 bellhousing. Automatic then no,it won't bolt up.
yes its a 5 speed so i can get the trans from the 4 cylinder and get the t5 v8 bell housing to bolt on to it?
Yes,I think you need a specific pilot bearing though,let me tag a knowledgable guy @90sickfox
I know the gearing is lower to accommodate the 4cyl,I've read they are weaker-but I'm not sure.
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If I recall correctly the pilot bearing and clutch/pressure plate are different sized from 4 to 8 cyl T5's. The input shaft sizes are different.
T5 identifier information.
On the tail shaft of the transmission, there will be a stamped aluminum tag. The tag will have a number on it that you can cross reference to the chart below. There is no other way to find out what type of T5 it is without disassembling it. All the rest of the numbers on the outside of the T5 case are part numbers which are not unique to any particular T5 model.
Remember that 94 - 97 T5's have a longer input shaft (about 11/16” longer) and can only be used with a 94-95 bell housing unless you modify or replace the input shaft.
T5's used with a 4 cylinder have a 3.93 first gear, reduced torque ratings and an input shaft pilot diameter that is smaller that the T5 used for V6 & V8 engines. The pilot diameter is .59" compared to the .668" used on V6 & V8 T5's. It requires a different pilot bearing to be used with a V6 or V8. The pilot bearing you need is for a Ford Ranger diesel from AutoZone part #14672
The 4 cylinder T5 won't survive very long behind a 5.0 HO unless you drive like granny, never go over 55 MPH and never, never, never powershift... Honda Accords will out run you...
I don't know how you feel about the DYI thing when it comes to gears, some people don't like the idea of working on transmissions. If the DYI transmission fix idea isn't something that you would rather leave to someone else, here are some resources:
See http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/onlineorder/product.asp to download a FREE service manual for T5 or Tremec 3550/TKO
You will need the Adobe Acrobat viewer which is also a free download – http://get.adobe.com/reader/
See http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/ or http://www.ddperformance.com for parts
A T5 rebuild kit with syncros, bearings and other small parts costs about $160. It does not include any gears or shafts.
http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/ also has a video on how to rebuild your T5 or Tremec. It costs about $20, and is worth every penny of it.
I did a Tremec 3550 rebuild, and it wasn't that difficult. The video was an immense help, and I would recommend viewing it. At $20, it will give you an opportunity to look and decide for yourself if you think that it is something you want to try to do.
T5 Shim kits – best product I have seen in a while… http://www.5speeds.com/t5/shims.html
“The Peel ‘n Place T5 World Class shim kit makes shimming T5 counter gear and main drive gears very easy.”
On the tail shaft of the transmission, there will be a stamped aluminum tag. The tag will have a number on it that you can cross reference to the chart below. There is no other way to find out what type of T5 it is without disassembling it. All the rest of the numbers on the outside of the T5 case are part numbers which are not unique to any particular T5 model.
Remember that 94 - 97 T5's have a longer input shaft (about 11/16” longer) and can only be used with a 94-95 bell housing unless you modify or replace the input shaft.
T5's used with a 4 cylinder have a 3.93 first gear, reduced torque ratings and an input shaft pilot diameter that is smaller that the T5 used for V6 & V8 engines. The pilot diameter is .59" compared to the .668" used on V6 & V8 T5's. It requires a different pilot bearing to be used with a V6 or V8. The pilot bearing you need is for a Ford Ranger diesel from AutoZone part #14672
The 4 cylinder T5 won't survive very long behind a 5.0 HO unless you drive like granny, never go over 55 MPH and never, never, never powershift... Honda Accords will out run you...
I don't know how you feel about the DYI thing when it comes to gears, some people don't like the idea of working on transmissions. If the DYI transmission fix idea isn't something that you would rather leave to someone else, here are some resources:
See http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/onlineorder/product.asp to download a FREE service manual for T5 or Tremec 3550/TKO
You will need the Adobe Acrobat viewer which is also a free download – http://get.adobe.com/reader/
See http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/ or http://www.ddperformance.com for parts
A T5 rebuild kit with syncros, bearings and other small parts costs about $160. It does not include any gears or shafts.
http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/ also has a video on how to rebuild your T5 or Tremec. It costs about $20, and is worth every penny of it.
I did a Tremec 3550 rebuild, and it wasn't that difficult. The video was an immense help, and I would recommend viewing it. At $20, it will give you an opportunity to look and decide for yourself if you think that it is something you want to try to do.
T5 Shim kits – best product I have seen in a while… http://www.5speeds.com/t5/shims.html
“The Peel ‘n Place T5 World Class shim kit makes shimming T5 counter gear and main drive gears very easy.”
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The pilot bearing for the swap is Federal Mogul 202ss. That the bearing that goes in the back of the crank for the input shaft. The only other major difference is the bell housing...but the unbolt and swap easily. The gear ratios are different so the speedometer will be off usually. A cheap new gear can be selected using the speedo gear calculator at the latemodelrestoration website.
People say they are weaker....the specs say they're weaker...but I've had really good luck with 4cylinder t5s. Even my zspec is out for a rebuild but my 4 cylinder t5 has been through a lot over about 8 years behind strong v8 powerplants but its still going strong.
Let's see how long it lasts behind my turbo 331
People say they are weaker....the specs say they're weaker...but I've had really good luck with 4cylinder t5s. Even my zspec is out for a rebuild but my 4 cylinder t5 has been through a lot over about 8 years behind strong v8 powerplants but its still going strong.
Let's see how long it lasts behind my turbo 331
If it still has an ID tag I have a 1983-93 T-5 transmission tag decoder here: http://foxchassis.com/decoders/transtag/
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