So your saying if full synthetics alone give 5 hp. And bumping timing to 14-15 degrees alone gives 5 hp. But together you will only get 7 hp?
That is exactly what I'm saying, and there's a reason why.
Again, these mods don't make horsepower. They free or release horsepower. But you need to ask yourself how they're doing this.
The way this is done, is by increasing the efficiency of the motor. Making the timing optimal increases efficiency, reducing friction increases efficiency. Underdrive pullies is just another way to reduce friction/drag.
MikeC said:
So the timing somehow effects the physical properties of the oil so there is less friction reduction?
No, the static (measured) amount of friction loss does not change. How much closer that brings the motor to 100% efficiency, after that starting efficiency has already been bumped up some does change. The fact of the matter is, going from 50% efficient to 60% efficient is easier than going from 60% to 70% and so on. 90% is pretty much unheard of nomatter what you do, 100% simply cannot happen.
The closer you get to 100%, the less and less effective modifications to increase efficiency become, and so detecting the change (horsepower) becomes harder and harder to do (less and less hp gained).
MikeC said:
I quoting real world hp gains, not the crap quoted from manufactures the ricers go by. Besides thats why I gave a range of hp values, it's easy to get 17 hp from the mods I listed and not impossible to get 30.
These rated numbers are produced on an otherwise unmodified, stock engine. The farther away you are from 100% efficient, the easier it is to pick up some efficiency and make some gains. These companies are not marketing fools, and they know the way to make their product look the best without falsifying information is to use an unmodified test motor. You gotta take it in context. The truth is always in the context.