Ok Gents....here we go with the FULL story....scammer? You decide.
Mr. Lutz advertised two stock upper and lower ported intakes and a cobra upper and lower intake for sale on Corral.net. -goes by the name of SLIDER there, has been banned from stangnet as 351_82gt, and is on mustangworks.com as 82 gt. I emailed him about the Cobra intake. he emailed me back and said he could work that deal with me. He said he wanted me to send a MO to his address so his wife didnt see the funds. Not a problem. He signed his email "bryon" So, a few days past and he said he was having a hard time finding a box because he was moving. He said to just pay him via paypal and he wasnt worried about the charges. So, I paypal him.
A week later, the intake still had not been shipped, he had not provided me with any contact information other than his one email address. He said his Internet was getting cut off because he was moving.
The box arrives. Return address: bryon Layton, bloom st, danville, PA. (notice the no street number) I thought nothing of the return address because he always went by "Bryon" in his emails. I ended up moving with my job to atlanta. my father went to my other home, opened the package and sent me some pics....a stock upper and lower intake. I start emailing "Bryon" - no returns. I figured maybe his Internet got cut off like he said and I gave him some time to move. Then things started getting fishy.
N8miller emails me and informs me about Rob Parsons. Rob was done the same way by "bryon" as I was....only two weeks earlier. Robs money was refunded....after he was told that "bryon's" special army unit had been activated and was getting sent to Germany. So...is it Germany or Utah? Well, I had had it. Nate filled me in on some more details. I happend to go back to my paypal account....the person i sent payment to was brian Lutz. This is when I posted up.
I did some investigating. Thats when I found Rob Parsons message. I posted every place I could think of....then came the phone calls. I tracked down some of Brian's family in Danville. Most of them want absolutely nothing to do with him because...in their own words "he is in and out of trouble all the time." although, they were willing to help. I contact the Danville Police Dept. As soon as I said his name...they knew who he was, knew the car he drove, and where he lived. They said they knew him...professionally. The case was turned over to the township where Mr. Lutz lives. I spoke with another officer. I contacted the PA Attorney General Consumer Fruad division. The FBI Internet Crime division was also contacted.
After all of this...magically...someone registers on stangnet that happend to be a "friend" of brians. He PM'd me stating to give him a chance. But, not once did he offer to give me any contact information or tell me that he was a friend of brians....fishy.
So, my hunting goes on. Finally "Brian" emails me...from a totally different email address, only after this 'friend' lets him know what is up. he says there was a mix up. he says he swore he thought that was a cobra intake because he bought it at a swap meet/flea market a few months ago and thats what they said. Yeah, so, Rob Parsons intake was a stocker too.....but...he thought it was a cobra also? I probably have the same intake that was sent to Rob. He also asked N8 miller to buy his stock intake from him...so, the excuse of knowing the difference between a stocker and a cobra isnt going to work this time. Brian has sent me a MO for my full amount back...ONLY after I started posting up
So, what happend to moving to utah? What happend to the special army unit in germany? Why did you sign all your emails to me "bryon" - send a package to me from "Bryon Layton" - and then tell me that your neighbor sent it for you? Were you signing your neighbors names on my emails? What happend to the Internet being disconnected? How can you not know the different between two intakes when a few weeks before you went through the same thing with another buyer? How come no street number? how come you were banned from stangnet? how come if your Net was disconnected, you continued to post on mustangworks...but wouldnt respond to emails? how come the cops know you so well ...not in a good way? Fake names, exscuses, different email addresses, lies about moving, the Internet, your 'wife' - that your family has no knowledge of. Things just do NOT add up here. Im sure im missing some more details of my investigation....I will post them up as I remember them. Scammer? Attempted Scammer? You decide.
Mr. Lutz advertised two stock upper and lower ported intakes and a cobra upper and lower intake for sale on Corral.net. -goes by the name of SLIDER there, has been banned from stangnet as 351_82gt, and is on mustangworks.com as 82 gt. I emailed him about the Cobra intake. he emailed me back and said he could work that deal with me. He said he wanted me to send a MO to his address so his wife didnt see the funds. Not a problem. He signed his email "bryon" So, a few days past and he said he was having a hard time finding a box because he was moving. He said to just pay him via paypal and he wasnt worried about the charges. So, I paypal him.
A week later, the intake still had not been shipped, he had not provided me with any contact information other than his one email address. He said his Internet was getting cut off because he was moving.
The box arrives. Return address: bryon Layton, bloom st, danville, PA. (notice the no street number) I thought nothing of the return address because he always went by "Bryon" in his emails. I ended up moving with my job to atlanta. my father went to my other home, opened the package and sent me some pics....a stock upper and lower intake. I start emailing "Bryon" - no returns. I figured maybe his Internet got cut off like he said and I gave him some time to move. Then things started getting fishy.
N8miller emails me and informs me about Rob Parsons. Rob was done the same way by "bryon" as I was....only two weeks earlier. Robs money was refunded....after he was told that "bryon's" special army unit had been activated and was getting sent to Germany. So...is it Germany or Utah? Well, I had had it. Nate filled me in on some more details. I happend to go back to my paypal account....the person i sent payment to was brian Lutz. This is when I posted up.
I did some investigating. Thats when I found Rob Parsons message. I posted every place I could think of....then came the phone calls. I tracked down some of Brian's family in Danville. Most of them want absolutely nothing to do with him because...in their own words "he is in and out of trouble all the time." although, they were willing to help. I contact the Danville Police Dept. As soon as I said his name...they knew who he was, knew the car he drove, and where he lived. They said they knew him...professionally. The case was turned over to the township where Mr. Lutz lives. I spoke with another officer. I contacted the PA Attorney General Consumer Fruad division. The FBI Internet Crime division was also contacted.
After all of this...magically...someone registers on stangnet that happend to be a "friend" of brians. He PM'd me stating to give him a chance. But, not once did he offer to give me any contact information or tell me that he was a friend of brians....fishy.
So, my hunting goes on. Finally "Brian" emails me...from a totally different email address, only after this 'friend' lets him know what is up. he says there was a mix up. he says he swore he thought that was a cobra intake because he bought it at a swap meet/flea market a few months ago and thats what they said. Yeah, so, Rob Parsons intake was a stocker too.....but...he thought it was a cobra also? I probably have the same intake that was sent to Rob. He also asked N8 miller to buy his stock intake from him...so, the excuse of knowing the difference between a stocker and a cobra isnt going to work this time. Brian has sent me a MO for my full amount back...ONLY after I started posting up
So, what happend to moving to utah? What happend to the special army unit in germany? Why did you sign all your emails to me "bryon" - send a package to me from "Bryon Layton" - and then tell me that your neighbor sent it for you? Were you signing your neighbors names on my emails? What happend to the Internet being disconnected? How can you not know the different between two intakes when a few weeks before you went through the same thing with another buyer? How come no street number? how come you were banned from stangnet? how come if your Net was disconnected, you continued to post on mustangworks...but wouldnt respond to emails? how come the cops know you so well ...not in a good way? Fake names, exscuses, different email addresses, lies about moving, the Internet, your 'wife' - that your family has no knowledge of. Things just do NOT add up here. Im sure im missing some more details of my investigation....I will post them up as I remember them. Scammer? Attempted Scammer? You decide.
I'm hiring you if I ever have a problem like this. 
peace
