V6 vs GT

[300bhp/ton]

Is there a big difference, other than the V8 engine and slight cosmetic changes, between the v6 and GT? Does it ride the same, feel the same interior wise, etc? I love my V6, but have been contemplating maybe the end of next year trading it in for an 06 or order an 07 GT. I don't know if I would though. I don't know if I could part with my baby. Has anyone done this? Is the GT better?

Also, any idea how much the insurance would be for a 20 year old on a GT? Money will be a large factor in my decision.

Thank You all,

05


P.S. Kinda a weird question, but is the GT longer? In pitures it sorta does from certain angles.

P.S.S. Are they changing the Mustang models at all for 07?

Thanks. sorry for the long post.

Better - NO, different YES.

The main thing is speed and I guess sound. If speed is not an issue and the V6 can still sound good I see no point upgrading.

According to the mags the V6 still wieghs a little less and has slightly softer front srping rates, this means the V6 rides a little better and probably has slightly sharper turn in due to weight distribution.

But at the end of the day, it is a performance car, so ride comfort should not be top of the list, if it is buy a Jaguar or a Caddy.

 

[Excepcion13]

T-LOK Standard on GT?

Not sure if the V6 cars come with limited slip (Traction Lock) differentials or not. It's standard on the GTs.

Is this the same as traction control? I have traction control on my 06. Does that mean that both of my wheels get power, as opposed to just my right wheel? Thanks!

 

[rygenstormlocke]

Not sure if the V6 cars come with limited slip (Traction Lock) differentials or not. It's standard on the GTs.

Is this the same as traction control? I have traction control on my 06. Does that mean that both of my wheels get power, as opposed to just my right wheel? Thanks!

V6's do not come with a TLOK, and traction control does not push power to both wheels. You will need to get a Ford Racing TLOK, or detrot true trac diff or some other after market mod to get power to both wheels on our 6's.

 

[05BlackV6]

Ok,

I was just poking around Ford's website and built a GT to my specs. It came to 29,000. Are they that cheap? If so I'm pissed to poo!!!! That is the car I wanted in the first place and it will be, with tax,etc about 3,000 more correct?
Options:
Interior upgrade
18" polished Aluminum Wheels ( a question on these to follow)
Active Antitheft
Wheel locks
Front seat mounted airbags

Those are the options I choose. I don't care about the audio system.

This is a GT Premium Coupe. The seats are leather right?

Anyway is this correct? If so I'm mad. If I knew they were this cheap I would have gone for it. I must be missing something....there has to be more to it to jack up the price.

The Question on wheels: Which ones are the 18" ones I mentioned? Pics?

 

[Excepcion13]

V6's do not come with a TLOK, and traction control does not push power to both wheels. You will need to get a Ford Racing TLOK, or detrot true trac diff or some other after market mod to get power to both wheels on our 6's.

@ rygenstormlocke

Thanks for the info! But I could find no evidence that the GT does come with a TLOK (per the Ford Website, anyway). I think I am going to go with the Detroit Locker next spring.

@ 05BlackV6

The GT you want will end up over $30K, which is still a great value. That is also assuming that there will not be a locality mark-up (which can be anywhere from $3-$5K. I have seen $3K mark-ups on V6s here in the DC Metro area). Then there is the insurance factor. We are all getting hosed on gas, so the few miles difference in MPG between the V6 & GT is not that much of a factor. Basically, you will get what you pay for. If you want the GT that badly and are not concerned about taking a loss on trading in or selling your V6, what are you waiting for? But before you do, just ask yourself a few questions:

Is your V6 too slow for your needs (merging, passing, showing off a little)?
How fast can you drive in your area?
Will the extra 1.4 seconds in the 0-60 make a difference to you on a daily or weekly basis?
Are you a drag racer? Street racer?

I am more than satisfied with my V6. I can be at 100 MPH before I know it (not always a good thing!), have more than enough power to merge, pass, and show off, have great handling (Pony Package w/rear sway bar and 17" Pirellis), and do not plan on drag racing. True, there are cars that can beat mine, but that is the case with just about any car. But after a few minor mods, my car will show certain imports that a N/A American V6 can keep up, and oftentimes exceed, a German one, and still cost $10K less. 4.0L is NOT a small engine, and you will be surprised by what a little patience, attention, and tinkering will add to your car. But at the end of the day it is what YOU want, and it seems like you have already made up your mind.

If you really want the top of the line Mustang, wait until the Shelby comes out. Otherwise, you will you will take a loss twice when you trade in your GT for the GT500.... Because that is where I see you headed in your quest for more power!! Not a judgment, as I plan on getting a Shelby in 2009 (little Law School graduation present to MYSELF!!!).

 

[jakoye]

V6's do not come with a TLOK, and traction control does not push power to both wheels. You will need to get a Ford Racing TLOK, or detrot true trac diff or some other after market mod to get power to both wheels on our 6's.

Wow! I didn't know that. Only one wheel is powered? That just seems... dangerous.

 

[05BlackV6]

@ 05BlackV6

The GT you want will end up over $30K, which is still a great value. That is also assuming that there will not be a locality mark-up (which can be anywhere from $3-$5K. I have seen $3K mark-ups on V6s here in the DC Metro area). Then there is the insurance factor. We are all getting hosed on gas, so the few miles difference in MPG between the V6 & GT is not that much of a factor. Basically, you will get what you pay for. If you want the GT that badly and are not concerned about taking a loss on trading in or selling your V6, what are you waiting for? But before you do, just ask yourself a few questions:

Is your V6 too slow for your needs (merging, passing, showing off a little)?
How fast can you drive in your area?
Will the extra 1.4 seconds in the 0-60 make a difference to you on a daily or weekly basis?
Are you a drag racer? Street racer?

I am more than satisfied with my V6. I can be at 100 MPH before I know it (not always a good thing!), have more than enough power to merge, pass, and show off, have great handling (Pony Package w/rear sway bar and 17" Pirellis), and do not plan on drag racing. True, there are cars that can beat mine, but that is the case with just about any car. But after a few minor mods, my car will show certain imports that a N/A American V6 can keep up, and oftentimes exceed, a German one, and still cost $10K less. 4.0L is NOT a small engine, and you will be surprised by what a little patience, attention, and tinkering will add to your car. But at the end of the day it is what YOU want, and it seems like you have already made up your mind.

If you really want the top of the line Mustang, wait until the Shelby comes out. Otherwise, you will you will take a loss twice when you trade in your GT for the GT500.... Because that is where I see you headed in your quest for more power!! Not a judgment, as I plan on getting a Shelby in 2009 (little Law School graduation present to MYSELF!!!).

The issue is not power. It is a manual trans. That is it. I'm trying to figure out which is the better option: Get a GT or just have a manual put into my V6. I don't drive like I'm in a race. I drive at normal speed so the V8 engine isn't the issue. Honestly I'm fine getting a manual for my V6, but I'm also looking at the GT as an option. I agree the V6 is a more than satisfying car. I just feel that I'd enjoy it more if it had a manny. I don't know. I feel the auto limits the car too much. Anytime I think of a car I like it has a manual, and as I said, I wanted a manny first. I think I'm gonna keep my V6 and get a manual for it.

For the record Excepcion13 I have NO interest in the GT500. (Don't yell at me! )If I wanted a car with that speed I'd save up for a Viper or, if possible, a Ford GT.

 

[rygenstormlocke]

Excepcion13,

Actually I wasn't talking about GT's, I just know it issn't on our 6's (limited diff). However I did just now pull a review of the GT, and found two articles where it states that it comes standard with a limited slip differential. But articles have been wrong before, I found one that said the 05 V6 had a 4 speed auto tranny in it, which in fact has a 5 speed.

But can't wait to see how our cars perform off the line with a diff installed.

 

[Excepcion13]

@ Rygen,

I was following you (talking about the GTs) but was wondering how some members knew about limited slip diffferentials in the GTs if it wasn't on the Ford website anywhere. Then I was thinking that maybe, just maybe, if the GT had it but wasn't on the Ford Website, then the Pony Package V6 had it.... Yeah, pretty much wishful thinking!!! BUT you are right, it will be nice to see how our cars perform with a differential installed. Have you decided on which one you are going with? BTW, getting my louvers put on Friday (they are getting painted now)! Have to go with Springfield Auto for the tune as Excessive does not have the 06 Computer codes yet.... Probably doing that next week. I want to be up and running for the NVMC show in November....

 

[Alec]

@ rygenstormlocke

Thanks for the info! But I could find no evidence that the GT does come with a TLOK (per the Ford Website, anyway). I think I am going to go with the Detroit Locker next spring.

Have you ever driven a car with a Detroit Locker? It gets old real quick on the street. If your looking to upgrade you might want to check out something like the "Detroit TrueTrac" or "Torsen T2R" you'll be much happier I'm sure one of the two will fit.

 

[rygenstormlocke]

@ Rygen,

I was following you (talking about the GTs) but was wondering how some members knew about limited slip diffferentials in the GTs if it wasn't on the Ford website anywhere. Then I was thinking that maybe, just maybe, if the GT had it but wasn't on the Ford Website, then the Pony Package V6 had it.... Yeah, pretty much wishful thinking!!! BUT you are right, it will be nice to see how our cars perform with a differential installed. Have you decided on which one you are going with? BTW, getting my louvers put on Friday (they are getting painted now)! Have to go with Springfield Auto for the tune as Excessive does not have the 06 Computer codes yet.... Probably doing that next week. I want to be up and running for the NVMC show in November....

I'm still deciding, I am leaning towards the ford TLOK with a brace to strengthen it, which will still be cheaper than detroit, but will handle 360-400RWHP, which is my goal (and I know the TLOK without the brace can handle 360 no problem thanks to others on this forum). If I go with the Detroit, then I am going with the true trac. But if I needed something that strong, wouldn't it be better to buy a cobra or heavily modded GT?


On the other hand, having a 6 that runs in the 10's sounds damn cool. I just read an article about a mustang 6 banger running in the 10's, made me proud.

I can't wait to see your louvers!!!! And your stripes!!! Oh, that tinting place I go to is on RT. 7, phone - 703.757.9535, California Tint. They quoted me $220 for all windows but the front windshield, all VA state legal. I hear its a good price.

I'll see you for sure at the NVMC show in November! Hey, who did your stripes? I am looking to put red racing stripes on my ride before the show.

 

[rygenstormlocke]

Have you ever driven a car with a Detroit Locker? It gets old real quick on the street. If your looking to upgrade you might want to check out something like the "Detroit TrueTrac" or "Torsen T2R" you'll be much happier I'm sure one of the two will fit.

Torsen T2R? Havent heard of that one....how is it price wise compared to the rueTrac?

 

[Alec]

Torsen has been around, stock in Ls1 camaros

The T-2R was used in the 2000 Cobra-R. Good stuff
Google for price I'm sure it varies depending on application.

on-trackperformance.com

 

[Excepcion13]

Have you ever driven a car with a Detroit Locker? It gets old real quick on the street. If your looking to upgrade you might want to check out something like the "Detroit TrueTrac" or "Torsen T2R" you'll be much happier I'm sure one of the two will fit.

@ Alec

To be perfectly honest, I have NOT driven a car with a Detroit Locker. Thank you for the input. I am going to start a post soon inthe V6 Tech section exploring all of the limited slip differential options, as I am very new to all of this. Basically, I just know that I want more than one wheel driving my car!!!!

@ Rygen

Steven Kim at Vertex put on my stripes. Took him 5.5 hours and he is amazingly meticulous. Only saw the tiniest of bubbles, and I can count them on one hand. Too bad we've had no sun to bake them out!!! His number is 703-883-0403. Tell him Robert sent you. Graphics Express has the best stripe for the price that I have seen. Red stripes will look hot on your car! Thanks for the info on California Tint!

 

[rygenstormlocke]

Good info on making our 7.5's stronger:

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=35849

 

[Alec]

I know you guys want to do this now, but if you wait for a few the GT stuff will start showing up in salvage yards.
An 8.8 rear out of a wreak might be more cost effective not to mention considerably stronger. Just a thought

 

[mattkimsey]

The v6's have forged rods right? How much power are they making with boost?

 

[Berserker]

I think I've solved it!!!!

Recently I've felt I haven't really been enjoying my car. This whole "I want to trade it" is proof. I think I've found out why! Every car I like: Mustangs, Vipers, Diablo's, Ford GT's etc all have one thing that mine doesn't that makes a car a sports car.... a manual Transmission! I wanted a manual to start, but couldn't find one with the options I liked with one. I was kinda disappointed, but felt "Hey it's a Stang and it will be easier to drive." The fact is I don't need the V8. I like my car just the way it is, but I've always wanted a manual. I drove a manual once. It was my freinds 3000gt with a V6 222hp. At first it was a pain in the ass, but once I got it I had the time of my life! I don't need a GT. I need a manny. That's what my car has been missing.

Am I right? Isn't it more fun to drive an manual on a Stang? Most of you on the boards seem to have Stangs with manuals. How do you like them?

Any insights into the Stang's manual tranny is appreciated.

Also, and most importantly. How much do you think it would cost if I had the dealer put one into my car? I wouldn't be doing it for a while anyway, but just wondering.

AH, how old are you? 16?

 

[Berserker]

Is there a big difference, other than the V8 engine and slight cosmetic changes, between the v6 and GT? Does it ride the same, feel the same interior wise, etc? I love my V6, but have been contemplating maybe the end of next year trading it in for an 06 or order an 07 GT. I don't know if I would though. I don't know if I could part with my baby. Has anyone done this? Is the GT better?

Also, any idea how much the insurance would be for a 20 year old on a GT? Money will be a large factor in my decision.

Thank You all,

05


P.S. Kinda a weird question, but is the GT longer? In pitures it sorta does from certain angles.

P.S.S. Are they changing the Mustang models at all for 07?

Thanks. sorry for the long post.

20! Maybe you should save us your deep political insights until you've got a few years under your belt. :ZipIt: The GT will smoke your v6 and does not feel at all the same.

 

[05BlackV6]

So you feel the need to insult me on two threads huh? I admit I'm a little wet behind the ears yet, but I guess some people are living proof of what the Dodge guys say. Some of you Chevy and Ford guys are a bunch of pricks.