• Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech

Engine Valve train noise after cam swap

  • Thread starter Thread starter BeesDad
  • Start date Start date May 31, 2020
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
First Prev 2 of 2

marcelo

Active Member
Feb 25, 2018
215
48
38
Quepos, Costa Rica, Central America
Jun 6, 2020
#21
  • Jun 6, 2020
  • #21
cant see why the longer pushrods ?? orig are 6.248 and you go to 6.400 ..stock heads stock pedestal does not need longer pushrods..?? i did mine 20-22ft lbs but with half turn, TFS Cam, stock length pushrods....
 

JD1964

there is enough sticking out to grab on to
15 Year Member
Jun 28, 2013
3,441
1,526
194
Maryland
Jun 8, 2020
#22
  • Jun 8, 2020
  • #22
I question if shims will solve anything. When shims are used on these pedestal type rockers, they reduce lifter preload. If you have a noisy valve train, that suggests not enough lifter preload, usually.

Also, I think if the pushrods were too long, it might not allow the valves to close fully. That would make it difficult to even keep the engine running at all, ot if it did run it would be running very poorly.

Check the rocker arm to spring retainer clearance closely. It's possible for there to be a mismatch in parts compatibility going on.
 
B

BeesDad

New Member
Apr 29, 2020
28
2
3
Edmonton
Jun 9, 2020
#23
  • Jun 9, 2020
  • #23
marcelo said:
cant see why the longer pushrods ?? orig are 6.248 and you go to 6.400 ..stock heads stock pedestal does not need longer pushrods..?? i did mine 20-22ft lbs but with half turn, TFS Cam, stock length pushrods....
Click to expand...

Stock pushrods are definately too short, I tried a couple last night & had a bunch of movement with the rocker bolted down.
 
B

BeesDad

New Member
Apr 29, 2020
28
2
3
Edmonton
Jun 9, 2020
#24
  • Jun 9, 2020
  • #24
John Dirks Jr said:
I question if shims will solve anything. When shims are used on these pedestal type rockers, they reduce lifter preload. If you have a noisy valve train, that suggests not enough lifter preload, usually.

Also, I think if the pushrods were too long, it might not allow the valves to close fully. That would make it difficult to even keep the engine running at all, ot if it did run it would be running very poorly.

Check the rocker arm to spring retainer clearance closely. It's possible for there to be a mismatch in parts compatibility going on.
Click to expand...

So I went to try a slightly different procedure last night, turn the rocker bolt until you feel the slightest drag on the pushrod, tighten the bolt until the rocker is seated on the head counting the turn(s) & torque to 20 ft lbs. Cylinder 1 took 3/4 of a turn to seat but when I went to torque it it was already past 20. Cylinder 2 I could barely get it to 1/2 a turn & the bolt was quite tight, past 20 ft lbs I'd say.
 

JD1964

there is enough sticking out to grab on to
15 Year Member
Jun 28, 2013
3,441
1,526
194
Maryland
Jun 9, 2020
#25
  • Jun 9, 2020
  • #25
BeesDad said:
So I went to try a slightly different procedure last night, turn the rocker bolt until you feel the slightest drag on the pushrod, tighten the bolt until the rocker is seated on the head counting the turn(s) & torque to 20 ft lbs. Cylinder 1 took 3/4 of a turn to seat but when I went to torque it it was already past 20. Cylinder 2 I could barely get it to 1/2 a turn & the bolt was quite tight, past 20 ft lbs I'd say.
Click to expand...

Based on this description you wrote here, it sounds like the pushrod length is in the proper range.

Are you sure once the engine is running that all of the lifters are actually pumping up with oil pressure?

You could check by running the engine with the valve covers removed. Then verify oil dribbling up through the pushrods and across the top of the roc
 
B

BeesDad

New Member
Apr 29, 2020
28
2
3
Edmonton
Jun 9, 2020
#26
  • Jun 9, 2020
  • #26
John Dirks Jr said:
Based on this description you wrote here, it sounds like the pushrod length is in the proper range.

Are you sure once the engine is running that all of the lifters are actually pumping up with oil pressure?

You could check by running the engine with the valve covers removed. Then verify oil dribbling up through the pushrods and across the top of the roc
Click to expand...

I haven’t tried that yet but I will tonight. Thank you for the suggestion
 
B

BeesDad

New Member
Apr 29, 2020
28
2
3
Edmonton
Jun 9, 2020
#27
  • Jun 9, 2020
  • #27
John Dirks Jr said:
Based on this description you wrote here, it sounds like the pushrod length is in the proper range.

Are you sure once the engine is running that all of the lifters are actually pumping up with oil pressure?

You could check by running the engine with the valve covers removed. Then verify oil dribbling up through the pushrods and across the top of the roc
Click to expand...

Well shims did nothing. I started questioning the lifters & decided to pull off the lower intake & check them out. They all look ok but I noticed that I had roughly 10 out of 16 wrong in the block, the oil holes facing down or towards heads not lifter valley. I have them soaking in oil & will re-install them the correct way & hope for the best. If that doesn’t work I’ll try a match & gasoline as I’m running out of hair to pull out Lol
 

Cheapskate207

The left one hangs a little lower
5 Year Member
Jan 12, 2020
761
541
113
Maine
Jun 9, 2020
#28
  • Jun 9, 2020
  • #28
I'm not sure I follow the procedure you did... are you saying that you hit zero lash BEFORE the rocker even touched the head, tightened until the rocker seated, then torqued to 20ft/lbs? The correct procedure is find zero lash then torque to 18-20 ft/lb's, making sure to do so in 1/4 to 1 turn. There is no "seating" the rocker.. unless you do so in the 1/4-1 turn it takes to hit 18-20ft/lbs.
 
B

BeesDad

New Member
Apr 29, 2020
28
2
3
Edmonton
Jun 10, 2020
#29
  • Jun 10, 2020
  • #29
Cheapskate207 said:
I'm not sure I follow the procedure you did... are you saying that you hit zero lash BEFORE the rocker even touched the head, tightened until the rocker seated, then torqued to 20ft/lbs? The correct procedure is find zero lash then torque to 18-20 ft/lb's, making sure to do so in 1/4 to 1 turn. There is no "seating" the rocker.. unless you do so in the 1/4-1 turn it takes to hit 18-20ft/lbs.
Click to expand...

Once I get the lifters back in I will use my original method which was get to zero lash & torque them to 20 ft lbs (which I get to in 3/4 of a turn)
 

JD1964

there is enough sticking out to grab on to
15 Year Member
Jun 28, 2013
3,441
1,526
194
Maryland
Jun 10, 2020
#30
  • Jun 10, 2020
  • #30
marcelo said:
cant see why the longer pushrods ?? orig are 6.248 and you go to 6.400 ..stock heads stock pedestal does not need longer pushrods..?? i did mine 20-22ft lbs but with half turn, TFS Cam, stock length pushrods....
Click to expand...

I'm not sure the brand of cam that was used but some camshafts have a smaller base circle. Regardless of the valve lift, a cam with a smaller base circle would need longer pushrods, especially if using non adjustable pedestal rockers
 

90sickfox

Wasn't a pretty sight...and I've got big hands
SN Certified Technician
Mar 2, 2015
6,945
5,816
213
Jun 10, 2020
#31
  • Jun 10, 2020
  • #31
If you installed the lifters upside down you've got bigger problems. Are these roller lifters ?
 

JD1964

there is enough sticking out to grab on to
15 Year Member
Jun 28, 2013
3,441
1,526
194
Maryland
Jun 11, 2020
#32
  • Jun 11, 2020
  • #32
Doesnt the lifter body have a channel all the way around the circumference where the oil hole is? Thus, don’t they work either way?
 
Reactions: 90sickfox

General karthief

wonder how much it would cost to ship you a pair
20+ Year Stangneter
Aug 25, 2016
27,929
10,573
203
polk county florida
Jun 11, 2020
#33
  • Jun 11, 2020
  • #33
I guess I've been lucky, never heard about lifter orientation. Never paid it any attention, always put it roller end down, I did keep the lifter, cam lobe matched but I think that may not matter.
 
Reactions: 90sickfox
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
First Prev 2 of 2
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Engine Valve and or rocker noise .....new to this but dont mind getting my hands dirty.
  • mustang matt 1993
  • Jun 29, 2024
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
16
Views
2K
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Jul 1, 2024
rednotch
Resolved Tapping sound on passenger side of engine
  • sav22rem22
  • Jun 21, 2024
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
  • 2
Replies
22
Views
2K
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Sep 22, 2024
sav22rem22
D
Rocker Tip Sweep
  • dragstart
  • Nov 29, 2024
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
1
Views
197
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Nov 29, 2024
limp
6
Hey all,I’m putting together a 302 for my 1968 Mustang and wanted to post the combo + some questions to make sure I’m not missing crucial
  • 68_Disgustang
  • Feb 22, 2026
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-
Replies
4
Views
900
1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk- Jun 20, 2026
gray owl
G
Engine Roller Rocker to Valve Retainer Interference - Possible Source of Valve Train Noise
  • AeroCoupe
  • May 22, 2023
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
11
Views
2K
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech May 28, 2023
AeroCoupe
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?