Water Pump Change Was Almost A Disaster

Ant85

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Noticed my water pump leaking a little bit a few days ago, then finally it took a crap on me. I almost started working on it at home but something told me to bring it to work and do it there. Usually in the past when I work on my own stuff something bad always goes wrong so I thought why would this be any different. I get to the last 2 bolts on the water pump and they would not budge... Soaked it with PB Blaster.. Still won't budge. At this point I am getting worried because one of those bolts goes into the block, the other was in the timing cover. Wasn't really worried about the one in the timing cover, just the one in the block... Got a breaker bar, still wouldn't budge... We let it soak some more, still nothing... At this point I'm like screw it, let's break some :poo:. Got a 3/4 impact, kept trying to loosen, tighten, loosen, tighten, and so forth and finally got them out. I was all excited... Once the pump was off noticed that one of the bolts on the top of the water pump snapped off and I didn't even realize it. Felt normal coming off... Tried welding on a nut on the stud a bunch of times to try to get it out but had no luck. Had to drill it out. At least that one was an easy one to fix. Just put a bolt and nut through it. Has anyone had bolts snap off on theirs?
 
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thankfully my last swap came apart rather easily but I had one where 4 of the bolts twisted off. luckily LMR makes a replacement kit now. used to have to scrounge them at the hardware store. good luck finding one that fits just right.
 
This is another common problem on these SBF motors. They are notorious for snapping off the bolts and until a few years ago nobody sold a complete kit, much less in stainless. If you can afford it, I would recommend using SS bolts and you must use antisieze on the bolts, regardless of which bolts you go with.

To get the old ones out, it is a PITA and I've used the following

Vise grip and a torch- heat up the bolt with a torch and spray PB blaster between the bolt and the cover/block and then work the bolt back and forth

grind a slot in the bolt for a screwdriver

weld a nut on the end of the bolt and do the same procedure as with the vise grip

Often you have to tighten up the bolt first to loosen it up..
 
Been there, done that, got the Tee shirt...

Here’s the parts list for the broken water pump bolts. Not cheap, but it will get you fixed and back on the road…

A word about the links, if they don’t work, do a search on the part number (P/N). MSC updates their catalog regularly, and the pages may change, but the part numbers don’t.

The prices here may be old and out of date, but the part numbers should still be good.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=1096 Use drill bushing 5/16” OD, 5/32” ID, ¾” long, P/N 07010457, price $12.49 This centers the drill bit in the housing bolt hole so you don’t get off center and damage the water pump, timing cover housing or engine block

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=27 drill bits - use 5/32” Cobalt/TiN coated bit. P/N 83240556, price $4.17

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=1928 Screw/bolt extractors. Use EZY-OUT Screw Extractor P/N 63760037 Price $4.16

One step specialty item: See Drill-Out® Broken Bolt Extractors drill bushing, reverse twist drill & extractor all in one unit. Best to use when the bolt breaks off with the remaining part below the start of the threads. .P/N 05027164. Price $24.40 each. You MUST have a reversing drill motor (either air or electric) to use this bit. http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=19268

A long shank tap should be used to chase the leftover metal out of the original threads. Also recommended to clean the corrosion and dirt out of the threads before you reassemble everything. Cleaning the threads will help prevent the bolts from seizing next time (yes, there will be a next time).

Long shank 5/16” taps to clean or re-tap threads with the timing cover or water pump still in place.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=04801189 5/16” pulley tap, 6” shank P/N 04801189 price $31.71

OR second choice, will not clean all the bottom threads unless you grind the end of the tap.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=04701181 extension tap, 6” reduced diameter shank P/N 04701181 $35.83

See http://totallystainless.net/totally.html for the bolts and studs. Nice folks, very into cars of all types. They have all kinds of stainless fasteners for almost every car. The prices are very reasonable, less the $8 for the water pump kit without the studs.
Stud bolt kits for FORD 5.OL water pumps in:
1985 mustang with (2) short, (2) medium, (1) long stud bolt, & flange nuts
(also used on some FORD trucks & suv applications) P/N 6-9030, $63.50
1994-1995 Mustang with (2) short & (1) medium length stud bolt P/N 6-9028, $37.40
1986-1993 Mustang with (2) short & (1) long stud bolt P/N 6-9029, $37.90


Stock plain steel studs are a Motormite item available at your local Advance Auto Parts store.

Motormite Water Pump Stud Kits for Ford, Lincoln and Mercury cars and trucks w/3.8L, 4.6L, 5.0L, 5.8L.
Part Number: 23744

Bolt removal instructions:
1.) Remove the water pump, fan, fan shroud & radiator – you’ll need lots of room to get the drill positioned straight.
2.) Test fit the drill bushing in the timing cover housing – this assumes that the bolt broke off below the surface of the housing. If it is too loose, use some scotch tape wrapped around it to make a snug fit. The drill bushing helps center the drill bit up on the broken bolt so that it does not get off into the timing cover or engine block. If the bushing does not fit at least 3/8” into the timing cover, you may want to consider removing the timing cover and attacking the remnant of the bolt shank with a propane torch and Visegrips. If not, then find a drill bit big enough to drill off some of the remnant of the bolt shank until you can get the drill bushing in the required 3/8” or deeper into the timing cover housing. You will end up using the timing cover housing to center the large drill bit on the broken bolt shank. This is not the best plan, since the aluminum timing cover is soft and it would be easy to get the bit off center and damage the timing cover.
3.) Once you have the drill bushing in place, chuck up the drill bit and drill the broken bolt. Use lots of WD40 to cool the drill bit. If you break the drill bit off in the bolt, it is time for a tow trip the automotive machine shop. Drill bits and easy outs are extremely hard and cannot be removed by ordinary means. It takes a solid carbide bit and extreme care to remove a broken drill bit or broken easy out.
4.) When you have drilled about ½” into the broken bolt, then remove the drill bushing and use a hammer to tap the easy out into place. Then chuck up the easy out in a T handle tap wrench. Turn the tap wrench slowly counter clockwise and you will feel it dig into the broken bolt. If it starts to slip, tap on the tap wrench with the hammer to reseat the easy out into the bolt.
5.) Keep turning and one of three things will happen:
a.) The bolt will come out and your efforts will be rewarded.
b.) Or the easy out will continue to slip and more efforts will not make it grip. This means you get to remove the timing cover and attack the bolt remnant head on. That means you get to drill the bolt out to a thin shell & either re-tap the hole or install a helicoil threaded insert.
c.) Or worst of all, the easy out will break off it the bolt shank. Then it is tow time to the automotive machine shop and pain in the wallet.