Well it's official, I didn't want to make this post until I was certain but, the Scarebird front disc conversion brackets do not and will not work the way they are.
The face of them is too big to fit inside the rotor, so they hit the back of the rotor in multiple places, and if the nut is tightened all the way the rotors wont even turn.
After many calls and emails to Scarebird, their customer service sucks.
At first, everything was OK, my questions were answered completely and quickly. When I first had this problem, he told me it was just a welding problem ans that I should take the welds down flat. Done and done...didn't help.
Ok, then I was asked for pics of the inside of the Raybestos #6006 rotor and then the blame was placed solely on the rotors, without explanation other than:
Lame!
At that point I decided that they weren't going to work noway nohow so I called Scarebird.
I knew I had to play it carefully or I'd go nuts so I was verry careful, and it still went downhill pretty fast. "SO WHAT DO YOU WANT?" was what I was asked. I asked if it was possible to send me another set of the same brackets "THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING" was the answer. Crucify me for taking a longshot, d@mn.
Then he suggested I exchange it for a Ranger based setup...no way in he11 am I putting 10.25" rotors on anything, so I threw in the story of a 65mph blast down a country road where me and my buddy Brandon found out how bad those brakes really are.
"WELL, we can give you your money back if THAT's what you want?!" was what came up next and I agreed, ready to get the he11 rid of this junk and move on.
Sucks sucks sucks! IMO this is a for-shat way to treat customers, with all the veiled hostility and the implied "Whatever it is, it aint my brackets" crap.
Wow that was fairly reasoned so now I shall get angrier and more speculative.
1) He only answers the questions he wants to answer. All my prelimnary questions were answered well and in one heck of a hurry. The quality of answers declined quickly. It was 20-30mins between sending the first email and the response. Sent my final email with the pics of the carnage on the 4th and called on the 6th because I hadn't gotten a response and I was by then convinced it wasn't gonna work.
Another thing I noticed, in the very beginning of the call when I said I had xxx setup and was having trouble, I mentioned I sent pics and asked if he saw them, the answer was "YEAH, I saw them". Right then I went oh crap and just about went nuts. Somehow I still wish I had because I was weak-voiced and wafflish over the phone.
I agreed to return them, but after looking further, I'm sending them off to my cousins machine shop to be modified so they WORK. There are a few other flaws that could have been totally avoided in manufacture if they'd bothered.
Arrrg!
--Kyle
PS: This setup, with Celebrity calipers and Mustang rotors isn't currently produced but is available upon request.
The face of them is too big to fit inside the rotor, so they hit the back of the rotor in multiple places, and if the nut is tightened all the way the rotors wont even turn.
After many calls and emails to Scarebird, their customer service sucks.
At first, everything was OK, my questions were answered completely and quickly. When I first had this problem, he told me it was just a welding problem ans that I should take the welds down flat. Done and done...didn't help.
Ok, then I was asked for pics of the inside of the Raybestos #6006 rotor and then the blame was placed solely on the rotors, without explanation other than:
Lame!
in reply. So I tried a new Federal Mogul bearing....not any different. That's when I decided, especially after seeing the rub pattern, that the bracket needed to fit in the rotor and can't. In the same email as the above, his suggestion to fix the clearance problem was
Holy *****! I may not be a mechanical engineer but I know enough about engineering to know there are some situations you can't remove metal, period.
At that point I decided that they weren't going to work noway nohow so I called Scarebird.
I knew I had to play it carefully or I'd go nuts so I was verry careful, and it still went downhill pretty fast. "SO WHAT DO YOU WANT?" was what I was asked. I asked if it was possible to send me another set of the same brackets "THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING" was the answer. Crucify me for taking a longshot, d@mn.
Then he suggested I exchange it for a Ranger based setup...no way in he11 am I putting 10.25" rotors on anything, so I threw in the story of a 65mph blast down a country road where me and my buddy Brandon found out how bad those brakes really are.
"WELL, we can give you your money back if THAT's what you want?!" was what came up next and I agreed, ready to get the he11 rid of this junk and move on.
Sucks sucks sucks! IMO this is a for-shat way to treat customers, with all the veiled hostility and the implied "Whatever it is, it aint my brackets" crap.
Wow that was fairly reasoned so now I shall get angrier and more speculative.
1) He only answers the questions he wants to answer. All my prelimnary questions were answered well and in one heck of a hurry. The quality of answers declined quickly. It was 20-30mins between sending the first email and the response. Sent my final email with the pics of the carnage on the 4th and called on the 6th because I hadn't gotten a response and I was by then convinced it wasn't gonna work.
Another thing I noticed, in the very beginning of the call when I said I had xxx setup and was having trouble, I mentioned I sent pics and asked if he saw them, the answer was "YEAH, I saw them". Right then I went oh crap and just about went nuts. Somehow I still wish I had because I was weak-voiced and wafflish over the phone.
I agreed to return them, but after looking further, I'm sending them off to my cousins machine shop to be modified so they WORK. There are a few other flaws that could have been totally avoided in manufacture if they'd bothered.
Arrrg!
--Kyle
PS: This setup, with Celebrity calipers and Mustang rotors isn't currently produced but is available upon request.