02BlueGT said:
Okay. So people are buying the car without knowing the price. To me that is strange. I just searched the site and saw that there are quite a few doing that. Here is what I want to know: If you order a car are you guaranteed to get it first (before the dealer gets some for the lot)? When my parents bought their 5.0, when it first came out, they ordered it. They waited months for it and saw the dealer selling cars similar to the one they ordered (for 5 grand above sticker). They suspected the dealer got it in and sold it for a marked up price and just reordered another for my parents (since they already had that sale). THe same thing was suspected by a friends parents on their new 5.0.
Do you get the cars VIN when you order? That would prevent this from happening.
Also, is there a markup on ordering an 05 now? I see some people say they have a markup on sticker if they order it. Damnit! This is crazy. Who would buy this? Without prices, and fear of being screwed by a dealer (don't even act like that can't happen), I will not order one.
Just my opinion on that.
Actually whenever your order ANY Ford vehicle you DO NOT know the price. The actual price is not determined until Ford builds the vehicle and invoices the dealer. Also it does not matter what the incentives are on the day you order your vehicle, Ford is only obligated to give you whatever incentives (rebates, APR, etc.) on the day you take delivery.
With a vehicle that is already in production, and let's say the sticker is $25,000. You know that if you order a vehicle and it comes in 2 months later the price may change, but it won't change by much, maybe a few hundred $$, so maybe by the time you get the car the sticker has changed to $25,300.
With the 05 Mustang, yes you are taking a bigger risk, but Ford has said the V6 will start under $20K MSRP and the GT will start under $25K MSRP. You can price out an equivalent 04 Mustang and figure that the sticker on the 05 will be within 5% of the 04.
If you order and 05 Stang today, the ONLY thing you can do is to get an agreement with the dealer (in writing) that ties the price you pay to their invoice or the sticker. For example you would agree with the dealer to pay $700 over invoice. Or you could agree to pay $1,000 less than MSRP.
There is nothing to stop a shady dealer from selling your car to someone else when it comes in for more money. Some people have said that the 05 orders are not real because no one can get VINs. You cannot get a VIN until your car is scheduled for production. Since the 05 Stang is not in production you can't get a VIN, but you can still get a confirmed order.
Even if you have a VIN, the dealer could still sell it out from under you. Your only recourse would be to get an OASIS report for that VIN and find out who got your car. You would have to have somethign from the dealer in writing that said this VIN # is yours. Then you would have to sue the dealer for damages. If the dealer later offered to sell you another car for the agreed upon price, you would have a VERY difficult time demonstrating damages and collecting anything in a court of law. I doubt if there is anyway you would get awarded damages if all that happened was you got another car 2 months later.
As they said in Rome: Caveat Emptor.
Not sure how much dough that'll cost yet, but...
