Why did Ford start using a returnless fuel system with the 4.6's.? Didn't all the 5 liters have return style fuel systems?
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ToplessStang said:One reason is that the fuel stays cooler. On a returnless fuel system, you only send the fuel you need to the fuel rail where as in a return type system you'd have extra fuel that is warmed from the engine bay go back to the fuel tank. Cooler fuel reduces the chances of vapor lock in the fuel line.
Caballo said:And emissions?!
Please say emissions. I really want one of the reasons to be emissions, cause I don't know anyother answer and yours sounded so good and like the logic could be used to answer emissions.
n0v8or said:What is always Ford's primary motivation?
To reduce cost.
The returnless system eliminates the fuel return line, hoses, and fittings, as well as a fuel pressure regulator. In exchange, this system requires just a fuel pressure sensor.
Actually, the fuel injected into the cylinders is cooler with a return-type system, as long as the pressure regulator is located at the opposite end of the fuel rails from the supply hose. This is because fresh cool fuel is constanty being circulated instead of being retained in the fuel rail to be heated by the engine.
The small amount of heat added to the circulating fuel will not appreciably affect the temperature of the fuel in the tank.
ToplessStang said:By the way, I didn`t just invent my post. I`m a Ford tech specialized in engine driveabilty and that is what we were told at the training course .
n0v8or said:Regarding the Fuel Pump driver Module, you have to consider relative costs from Ford's point of view.
A fuel pump relay and fuel pump PWM (pulse width modulator) module costs Ford approximately the same.
I know because I participated in the design of the latter. The solid state module is more robust and can operate reliably at battery voltages from cold start cranking (5V) to a double battery AAA jump start (24V). It takes a relatively expensive relay to match that feat.
In addition, the PWM module can feed back diagnostic information to the powertrain computer at an incremental cost of literally pennies.
Where the PWM module really wins is when Ford sells you a replacement part. The price they can charge for the relay is constrained by free market forces; it is easy for aftermarket competitors to make replacements, and competition holds the prices down. On the other hand, the PWM module is a custom part made exclusively for Ford, and uses a custom Integrated Circuit not available to the public (or competitors). So Ford can charge 10X their cost for this module.
Rekokulous said:You're all wrong
They went to the returnless system so the fuel won't get worn out. With a returnsystem the fuel has to travel all the way to the engine compartment and back hundreds of times before it gets ignited and gets to go to allah. If you had to walk to the front of your car then to the back and back hundreds of times, would you really feel like giving it your all when you're supposed to ignite into a furious explotion, no you will probably just say **** it and go poof.
hotdog71 said:ok,
So why does this system loose so much pressure 15psi at higher 3500 RMP's which in turn causes the car to run lean which can also cause pinking or pinging which will cause damage to your engine.....
Was this part of Ford's ECO friendly cost saving plan