No, brother, you don't get the response "Kids today" cuz you're younger and newer cars run stronger. You had to be there, when Fox's were new, to know what they did stock. Unless you found one in the back of a showroom somewhere, never used(or used up, as they all are by now). Stock parts, now, still isn't factory fresh, with the stickers in the windows. They were better than the articles everyone reads, in magazines with drivers who never took the time to learn how to make them RUN, like only an owner can. Not a lot better, but a couple thenths-and the speed density cars ran better than the MAF cars, close to stock, so the newer you got, the slower they went. Your car is real close to stock, look what that bad boy does! But the bigger issue is, for how much? My first was $11,080, Dick James Ford, South Holland, Il, Dec 23, 1987. For the cash these newer cars cost, they BETTER run circles around a $11,000 car, 2,3, times more $-many are more than that. I know I wouldn't mix it up with a new Altima, or an Acura, a proper Toyota, anymore, but for what they cost, I'da never been embarassed.
My point with all this... why is a fox owner with a near stock one, laughing at a guy driving a new, quick sedan? Instead of laugh, shouldn't he be a little nervous. Botch up the launch, or slack off on a shift point and that "laughable" Altima, will most likely walk away from you!
All hell broke loose after that..including the "my car cost xxx less" arguement.
you guys all have valid points. i just know that at the end of the day, my mustang is still waaayyyy sweeter than that altima!
No, you did a fine job on the names!I guess I can't argue with the fact that I wasn't around in those days, after all I really didn't choose to be born in 1985. But thinking because I wasn't there doesn't qualify me to have an opinion, or to know what the fox's did, isn't right in my eyes. The EFI fox came out when I was 2, and we purchased our families first in 1993. My father purchased a bone stock 91 LX with 65K on the click. Like you said not bone stock off the showroom, but as stock as you will ever find. Car proceeded to go middle 14s with nothing done, and he ran it into the low 13s with minor bolt ons and tires. Sure I was barely a teenager when this all happened, but I knew a LOT of fox owners growing up, and actually got into racing them when I was 15 (hehe dont tell the track ). I actually run with guys who were there pioneering it. One of my good friends used to run with Big Daddy Dwayne before DR got insane. Others were and still are big names in the NMRA and FFW. I know all about Tony Defeo, Bob Cosby, Neil Van Opre (probably all spelled wrong) and the rest of the guys from the late 80s taking near stock fox's and running strong with them. I also know of some guys who didn't get the same fame running around in that time going 13s and 12s with stockers. Being young only means I wasn't there (wasn't driving) in the begining of the fox boom. I sure saw my fair share of it being the wide eyed car loving kid I was. I sure do know what it takes to go quick with stock parts, but I don't see that as any form for argument.
The fact that a stock 5.0 could be had for $11K back then... and now for $2K doesn't really reflect negetively on the Altimas, and G35s of today. Like Mike stated, these cars have navi, heated seats, handle, get good mileage, ride comfy, and do a LOT of things well. My brother has a 2001 Audi A6, with a 2.7T and a 6-speed. The car has heated front and rear seats, HIDs, rides like a dream, handles great and hauls a$$. I have actually run with new edge cars in it. This car can be had for cheap nowadays. The new sedans are light years above the fox's and can compete.
My point with all this... why is a fox owner with a near stock one, laughing at a guy driving a new, quick sedan? Instead of laugh, shouldn't he be a little nervous. Botch up the launch, or slack off on a shift point and that "laughable" Altima, will most likely walk away from you!
I wouldn't say technological improvements are the only thing you’re getting for your money with the new car. You also have to take into consideration the wear and tear the comes with age, as well as years of dry rot, sun damage, grime, grease, etc. Unless you've kept your Fox in a perfect vacuum for the last 20-years and have never driven it, its going to suffer from all of these things to some extent, no matter how well you take care of it, where a new car (it doesn't really matter what the make or model is) starts with a clean slate. You can throw as much money at a Fox as you’d like, but the one thing that you can’t buy back is age.im glad a modern sedan can beat a 20+ year old mustang, v8 or not......newer cars are just factoring in technological improvements period.
It’s like the old saying; “from the moment we’re born we begin to die”. The same holds true for a car. What depends on you is at what point in said lifeline are you comfortable with acquiring your car?
Don't go there Mike.....don't you remember where this train of thought got me in 5.0L Talk a couple of weeks ago?
Ya know, I just realized I have never owned a new car. I bought my 97 Cobra newish. It was at the dealer but had 380 miles cause it sat there over a year and its nose was repainted cause some power lines fell on it before I bought it. Then I traded it in for my 99 FRC Vette but that was my bosses demo and had 900 miles on it and smelled like cigarsThat's a very good point there.
I know some people that have NEVER paid more then $3000 for a car in their lifetime, and i know others who sell a car as soon as it's 3-4 years old for something newer.
People have different ideas on what is right for them. I fall in the middle. I consider buying a brand new car a HUGE waste of money, but I also want to buy a car while it is still under factory warranty.
I wouldn't say technological improvements are the only thing you’re getting for your money with the new car. You also have to take into consideration the wear and tear the comes with age, as well as years of dry rot, sun damage, grime, grease, etc. Unless you've kept your Fox in a perfect vacuum for the last 20-years and have never driven it, its going to suffer from all of these things to some extent, no matter how well you take care of it, where a new car (it doesn't really matter what the make or model is) starts with a clean slate. You can throw as much money at a Fox as you’d like, but the one thing that you can’t buy back is age.
Also consider resale value when comparing the two and the fact that you now own a new car during the first years of its life, where you probably own an older car during the last years of its life.
It’s like the old saying; “from the moment we’re born we begin to die”. The same holds true for a car. What depends on you is at what point in said lifeline are you comfortable with acquiring your car?
Hey, no need to get all worked up about it.what.....
who cares about that, you telling me jordan couldn't punish lebron? i dont think it would be a dunk contest but jordan would win. when you buy new you get new stuff. technologically advanced from different metals to materials.(advancement from tehnology)((maybe technology isn't the best word of choice but that isn't the point)) i know new cars cost more cause of many reason inflation etc etc. but when it comes down to it a 1988 and 2008 mustang have nothing in common but the name. a timemachined mint 88 next to a 08 mint would still be a old rumble bucket. shoot a bet if i could go back to test drive a brand spanking new boss 429 i wouldn't like it cause i would feel like i was getting into a death machine......
if it werent for improvements there would be no point of buying new period. reliability increases,safety and etc etc.....
but i do get what your saying man, im not here to rgue this one, cause this is stupid thread i just hate everyone defending older cars becasue 1) they are older people and were new to them when they were in there prime..
2) or they are just plane arrogant. newer is improved yes! but is it better, not always!
but i do get what your saying man, im not here to rgue this one, cause this is stupid thread i just hate everyone defending older cars becasue 1) they are older people and were new to them when they were in there prime..
2) or they are just plane arrogant. newer is improved yes! but is it better, not always!
ps. i just notcied your cougar is putting 410 down! crank or wheel?
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