WTF is the Deal with Clarkson

bellegt06 · Nov 27, 2006

Mr_Q said:
People need to understand Top Gear and even 5th Gear are more about entertainment and not unbiased cold hard factoid reporting.

If you want that watch Motorweek...if you can stay awake during an ep.

Top Gear is one of the best cars shows I've ever seen and one of my favorite TV shows. 5th Gear is okay, the old format was better. And I don't know what happened to Tiff. He hardly ever reviews cars anymore.

Both are edited very well and invoke emotion, good and bad.

With American TV ripping off so many UK shows, why can't they get this one right! :\

I'd love to see a "Top Gear: USA" show where they get some over some-bearing a$$ to slam UKs cars lack of grunt and power. Ranting about big American V8s and torque. I really think it would be awesome.

I don't have problem with show outside of the blatant misrepresentation of facts. I actually found it very funny when top gear reviewed the mustang and ripped the shi t. out of but still placed it high on their board for the X-factor.

kooldawg6 · Nov 27, 2006

I'd love to see somebody test drive/review the Saleen S7 Twin Turbo!!!!!!!

wht-v6-vert · Nov 27, 2006

Clarkson is a supercilious fop not above prevarication. Who give a **** what a limey nancyboy has to say.

NoFear06 · Nov 28, 2006

limey nancyboy?fop?

NoFear06 · Nov 28, 2006

nancyboy lol.what channel is this guy on?

cowtown · Nov 29, 2006

I actually really like Top Gear. I think it's a well done show. Aside from their heavy handed coverage of a few US vehicles (they are often right) there is a lot of entertainment on that show. I grabbed 8 seasons worth on DivX and I am half way through the fifth season and enjoying each one.

Hoboattacker · Nov 29, 2006

cowtown said:
I actually really like Top Gear. I think it's a well done show. Aside from their heavy handed coverage of a few US vehicles (they are often right) there is a lot of entertainment on that show. I grabbed 8 seasons worth on DivX and I am half way through the fifth season and enjoying each one.

+1. It's just how they say things about American cars that I don't like. I'm pleasantly surprised he owns a Ford GT, though

LuS1fer · Dec 4, 2006

Hoboattacker said:
+1. It's just how they say things about American cars that I don't like. I'm pleasantly surprised he owns a Ford GT, though

Now gone I'm afraid. I suspect it went on the basis that he suffers from a bad back and the daft doors make using it a real nightmare, especially if you're very tall and especially in the UK. He also took it to what we call a road-narrowing restriction which is designed to stop trtucks using certain roads and he couldn't get through so had to back up in a highly embarassing way.

He's now ordered a lamborghini Gallardo Spider.

mattzts · Dec 4, 2006

'06 stang said:
Is he that car 'expert' from Europe? If so best I can tell from other posts on here he is bascially an ass. Maybe a highly cultured and educated ass but an ass nonetheless. If it's not a gawdy 50k+ AWD from across the pond it's not worthy of being bought in his opinion . His car segments are a possible cure for various sleep disorders so watch with caution and have a pillow handy.

you are wrong. he actually did a segment praising the mustang. also the ford focus st. no but since he loves car we get there he must be bashing cars from over here. oh wait some of the great cars are by ford, but we dont get them here. just watch the show more before you make an assumtion.

mattzts · Dec 4, 2006

bellegt06 said:
On that point, there are many Euro/Asian cars that out perform and are more reliable than US, but tell me one that comes close the the Mustang for the money. They only one i can think of is the 350z. It has better handling, but slower and is a two seater with no trunk. If you want you legitimate criticism taken seriously then don't make absurd ones as well.

While I may or may not agree with this statement WTF does it have to do with this thread??

the 350z has 300hp and weighs less. how exactly is it slower?

bellegt06 · Dec 5, 2006

mattzts said:
the 350z has 300hp and weighs less. how exactly is it slower?

Torque!

mattzts · Dec 5, 2006

bellegt06 said:
Torque!

your missing the point. a mustang might get off the line a slight bit quicker, but in the end it will lose.

i love both cars im not bias in anyway. im just going by numbers here. hp/tq to weight ratio the 350z is faster.

celticstanger · Dec 5, 2006

mattzts said:
your missing the point. a mustang might get off the line a slight bit quicker, but in the end it will lose.

i love both cars im not bias in anyway. im just going by numbers here. hp/tq to weight ratio the 350z is faster.

I had a boy-racer try me a while back, pulled on me at the 1st light, took him before easing off at 60. 2nd light, I was good and ready, blew him away, before easing off again at 60. In my experience, the GT is noticeably quicker. Ok, so it was only up to 60, but he was done and I had plenty of pull left, just didn't want to get up to kill-an-innocent speed.

bellegt06 · Dec 6, 2006

mattzts said:
your missing the point. a mustang might get off the line a slight bit quicker, but in the end it will lose.

i love both cars im not bias in anyway. im just going by numbers here. hp/tq to weight ratio the 350z is faster.

No you are missing the point. You can't simply look at manifactor HP claims and weight and determine which is faster. I also love both cars and frequent 350z forums and most drivers their with stock Z's are running high 13s to low 14s (new edge times). S197 Gts are running mid to high 13s. Also the HP on the Z (pre 07) was rated using the a different forumla. Ford as I understand it has been using the the new SAE standard for several years while Nissan just started using the new standard for 07 models.

bigcat · Dec 6, 2006

lets leave the racing for the track only. much safer for all.

bellegt06 · Dec 6, 2006

bigcat said:
lets leave the racing for the track only. much safer for all.

Agreed. I wasn't trying to start a pissing match about what car is faster. I was just stating that the 350z was the only other car that provided a similar bang for the buck.

Rock36 · Dec 9, 2006

bellegt06 said:
Agreed. I wasn't trying to start a pissing match about what car is faster. I was just stating that the 350z was the only other car that provided a similar bang for the buck.

Exactly! This 350Z/Mustang GT debate has been going on for a long time now. If anyone hasn't been paying attention, the majority consensus by far is the Mustang is faster in the 1/4mile and the 350Z is faster on a road course. There was even a thread where I guy who owned BOTH cars agreed with that statement.

If that consensus isn't good enough, then get out and race one and set your mind at ease.

This Clarkson debate is been around before too, and this isn't the first mistake he has made in his reporting. However, as others have said, he does it to get people worked up and pay attention to what he says. Good, bad, or indifferent, he has been successful, and has made a lot of money as a result.

Ara · Dec 10, 2006

Some of you guys need a sense of humor. They make fun of American cars but they also like to bag on the Germans and even themselves (*cough* Lucas electrics). And let's face it, a lot of American cars are crap. They are getting better but I think the Japanese have the economy car segment pegged. The only American car I've bought or would ever buy is a Mustang. Or a Vette.

They are always biased towards Aston Martin though.

It's just for entertainment. In one segment they race a greyhound and an 06 Miata around a mud track. The greyhound wins. Does this mean the greyhound is faster? No, it just means he wasn;t sliding around all over the place. Just for entertainment's sake.

ramjetlx · Dec 11, 2006

mattzts said:
your missing the point. a mustang might get off the line a slight bit quicker, but in the end it will lose.

i love both cars im not bias in anyway. im just going by numbers here. hp/tq to weight ratio the 350z is faster.

Numbers dont say everything, with two even cars, it comes down to the driver. Every 350Z Ive raced are slow off the line and cant keep up! I even beat them in my 260 hp 5.0. They are heavy also for their size, about 3300 pounds. They can beat the last gen mustangs, but I dont think theyre faster then the current generation.

cyanmauve · Dec 12, 2006

I have a 06 GT and my dad has a 03 350Z. Having driven both cars, and driven them hard, I can tell you that they aren't really that far apart from each other in terms of speed. Really, a good driver would more than make the difference between either car, so I wouldn't wager any bets on the street, because one cars isn't significantly faster than the other in a straight line. My Mustang will probably edge the 350z out up top, but really, the cars are pretty darn close. What our Mustangs have in torque, the 350z makes up for with an extra gear and less weight.

I will say that, stock for stock, the 350z will take the Mustang in the corners. (But now I can tear 'em apart with my suspension mods and better tires!)

Don't put too much stock in one car being marginally faster than another and thus "superior". We're talking about literally 1/10th here or .01g there, which equates to little if any noticeable difference in the seat of the pants. Just appreciate your car for what it is. The key to getting the most from your car isn't bolting on power adders, it's learning how to use all of the power that's already on the table from good launches and quick gear changes.

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