10 grand for the tech Stangers
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Evilfox
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91fox. A turbo is out of your budget. Especially a Hellion kit. Looking at a $3,995.95 base price for one. Plus forged components.
A regular T5 like I mentioned in my first post is rated at 330ft/lbs. You won't be pushing more then that out of N/A 302. Unless you are planning on running sticky tires the T5 is more then capable. TKO5/600 if you want to be safe and have a little extra money to throw at it.
Your bottom end is fine. Get the rods machined and shot-peened. Your block will need to be bored and honed. Might as well get new freeze plugs and cam bearings. Your crank may need to be turned, have a machinist check it. This of course assuming there are some miles on the engine.
You need:
Piston rings
Rod Bearings
Main Bearings
New gaskets
etc.
You need to factor all this into your estimate.
A regular T5 like I mentioned in my first post is rated at 330ft/lbs. You won't be pushing more then that out of N/A 302. Unless you are planning on running sticky tires the T5 is more then capable. TKO5/600 if you want to be safe and have a little extra money to throw at it.
Your bottom end is fine. Get the rods machined and shot-peened. Your block will need to be bored and honed. Might as well get new freeze plugs and cam bearings. Your crank may need to be turned, have a machinist check it. This of course assuming there are some miles on the engine.
You need:
Piston rings
Rod Bearings
Main Bearings
New gaskets
etc.
You need to factor all this into your estimate.
$10,000 + sold '91 Fox would go a heck of a long way towards a newer car.
I personally think its silly taking out a loan for parts that aren't a necessity. Just sayin
lol serously man i guess its good for the economy if you pay it back
I figure going with the trick flow street heat hci kit would be the best bet.
Along side with 70mm throttle body, 190 lp fuel pump, 24 pound injectors,
I need help choosing a transmission with comboination. and how much would it usually run in parts for the bottom end work.
2,500 hci kit
249 injectors
119 fuel pump
200 throttle body
about 3,070.. I still have another 6,000 and change to play with. Of course it would need a tune. I would really like another exhaust set up. So please keep giveing me some opinions.
Thankyou
Evilfox
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TKO600 will run you 2,195. Rated up to 600ft/lbs. It'll give you some headroom if you ever want forced induction.
Do you have the tools to do a custom exhaust system yourself? It's not that difficult and will save you a ton of money. All you'd need is some mufflers and some 2 1/2" exhaust tubing. Buy some 2 1/2" U's if you don't have a tubing bender and cut them at whatever angle you need. Weld everything up, grind everything down and voila. You have a new exhaust system.
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You should also think about getting a new clutch. No need for an expensive twin clutch.
Machine work can run anywhere from 200-500 dollars. Really depends on the shop's reputation and location.
Do you have the tools to do a custom exhaust system yourself? It's not that difficult and will save you a ton of money. All you'd need is some mufflers and some 2 1/2" exhaust tubing. Buy some 2 1/2" U's if you don't have a tubing bender and cut them at whatever angle you need. Weld everything up, grind everything down and voila. You have a new exhaust system.
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You should also think about getting a new clutch. No need for an expensive twin clutch.
Machine work can run anywhere from 200-500 dollars. Really depends on the shop's reputation and location.
I dont have tools to fab a custom exhaust, so i'll probably just have to go ahead and put some money into an exhaust system.
I was previosly thinking Hooker longs, with an offroad h-pipe in addition maybe a mac cat back or slp. Whatever will give it an agressive but not too agressive tone.
I have a new king cobra clutch in my stang now. Can i use the same clutch or is it a different spline count?
Should I also take into consideration an aluminum drive shaft since i do have some cash to throw around? Or should i shift over more to ignition and electrical work?
I was previosly thinking Hooker longs, with an offroad h-pipe in addition maybe a mac cat back or slp. Whatever will give it an agressive but not too agressive tone.
I have a new king cobra clutch in my stang now. Can i use the same clutch or is it a different spline count?
Should I also take into consideration an aluminum drive shaft since i do have some cash to throw around? Or should i shift over more to ignition and electrical work?
Evilfox
New Member
The TKO600 has a 26-spline count so you'd need a new clutch. Nothing specifically wrong upgrading your ignition system. I know plenty of guys running 10's with OEM distributors and plenty running MSD ignition systems.
I myself run a MSD distributor into a Summit Racing digital ignition box and it does the job just fine. =) You won't see any power gains from an ignition system unless yours is currently on it's way out.
You will see a slight increase in HP with the aluminum driveshaft. Nothing spectacular.
As per your exhaust system. You should look into 1 5/8" ID headers rather then 1 3/4" ones. They will give you a little more performance. Check the link below for a place to start for your muffler/crossover pipe selection.
http://forums.stangnet.com/774334-what-sounds-good.html
Another place to look is Youtube or StreetFire.net Search for 302's.
I myself run a MSD distributor into a Summit Racing digital ignition box and it does the job just fine. =) You won't see any power gains from an ignition system unless yours is currently on it's way out.
You will see a slight increase in HP with the aluminum driveshaft. Nothing spectacular.
As per your exhaust system. You should look into 1 5/8" ID headers rather then 1 3/4" ones. They will give you a little more performance. Check the link below for a place to start for your muffler/crossover pipe selection.
http://forums.stangnet.com/774334-what-sounds-good.html
Another place to look is Youtube or StreetFire.net Search for 302's.
Yeah, I guess it depends on the T5 being discussed. 
I do not like the TKO transmissions. They have a habit of being a little difficult to shift at higher RPM's. Just get an A5 or G-Force transmission. It cost the same, weighs less, less drivetrain loss, very similar overdrive options, and no conversion needed, except the stronger 26 spline set-up for the higher HP versions.
I do not like the TKO transmissions. They have a habit of being a little difficult to shift at higher RPM's. Just get an A5 or G-Force transmission. It cost the same, weighs less, less drivetrain loss, very similar overdrive options, and no conversion needed, except the stronger 26 spline set-up for the higher HP versions.
Evilfox
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I can't say I feel the same way about the TKO. I've abused two TKO600's on the street and they all felt fine to me. I wasn't aware Gforce sold complete transmissions. Is it a core exchange like the Astro A-5?
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Scratch that on the TKO comment. TKO's I have driven have had Liberty gears in them.
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Scratch that on the TKO comment. TKO's I have driven have had Liberty gears in them.
Maryland Stang
Active Member
Again I ask! What are you trying to accomplish with your car? There is a whole load of suggestions being given here and none of it makes any sense yet because we don't know where you're going! You have 10 grand and want to spend it is about all we know. You may only need half or even less of that money to get where you're going.
Sell your car and buy one thats done already. I have put WELL OVER $20k into my car and i feel like i would be lucky to sell it for 10 grand.
Also, you mentioned spending around 9k on the parts alone, but if you buy 9k worth of parts, then you WILL spend another 2-3k on bull***** items that everyone forgets about.
So bottom line is that 10g's will get you not very far with a project, but if you bought a $10,000 fox, its very likely that it has at least 15g's into it. and it runs. ive seen alot of really clean mustangs for cheap on corral
just as a side note. i would stongly reccomend that you dont take a loan out for parts.
1. it seems kind of rediculous to pay interest on parts.
2. what if you buy all that stuff tear apart the motor and realize you need a complete rebuild
3. what if you get the car together and in the heat of the moment blow it up, and have no cash to fix it
Also, you mentioned spending around 9k on the parts alone, but if you buy 9k worth of parts, then you WILL spend another 2-3k on bull***** items that everyone forgets about.
So bottom line is that 10g's will get you not very far with a project, but if you bought a $10,000 fox, its very likely that it has at least 15g's into it. and it runs. ive seen alot of really clean mustangs for cheap on corral
just as a side note. i would stongly reccomend that you dont take a loan out for parts.
1. it seems kind of rediculous to pay interest on parts.
2. what if you buy all that stuff tear apart the motor and realize you need a complete rebuild
3. what if you get the car together and in the heat of the moment blow it up, and have no cash to fix it
Yeah, I guess it depends on the T5 being discussed.
I do not like the TKO transmissions. They have a habit of being a little difficult to shift at higher RPM's. Just get an A5 or G-Force transmission. It cost the same, weighs less, less drivetrain loss, very similar overdrive options, and no conversion needed, except the stronger 26 spline set-up for the higher HP versions.
I'll agree.
I do have a tko600, and it's great, never any issues at all.
But it just doesn't feel the same as a t5.
If i had to do it again, probably would try a gforce with the works.
What ever combo you pick will be fine for thet time, however my only advice is think it through real good before hand. I basically bought every thing twice trying to get more power. AT first I thought I would be happy with 350hp or so. Bought 24#injectors,24#mass air 190 fuel pump, ffrp ceramic coated headers, stainless xpipe, edlebrock rpm mulffles stainless tail pipes, pulleys, cold air two different ones, throttle body, king cobra clutch for a tremec 3550 10spline, aluminum drive shaft for the 3550, 4.10 gears, and on and on.... Then like everyone else I wanted more power, so I went with the turbo and eveything I had bought listed above had to be changed to bigger fuel stuff, better trans which ment better clutch, 3.55 then3.08 rear gears, the exhuast stuff became useless, the cold air kit wasn't needed, my new trans had to have its own driveshaft.....
SOme of the stuff I had did work with the new set up heads, intake, cam, msd, stuff like that. But what I am saying is I had to sell that stuff I took off which you can't sell for new prices so you lose money. If I had planned better and bought the turbo stuff originally I would have wound up spending less money. And it can be any thing turbo, sc, NA. Just know what your ultimate goal is and multiply it x2. Because eventually you will want more power.
SOme of the stuff I had did work with the new set up heads, intake, cam, msd, stuff like that. But what I am saying is I had to sell that stuff I took off which you can't sell for new prices so you lose money. If I had planned better and bought the turbo stuff originally I would have wound up spending less money. And it can be any thing turbo, sc, NA. Just know what your ultimate goal is and multiply it x2. Because eventually you will want more power.
I want to be over 400 hp reliably, reliable as in having the car running mechanically sound. Being able to go far distances confortably.
As of now the car runs horrible. It has absolutely no pull to it. It is tired and needs to be refreshed. But if im going to freshen things up i want to upgrade it with performance parts.
Instead of buying oem parts I wrather put performance parts to get power gains and benifit from the work. Im not worried about paint or any interior work because the body is mint with fresh paint. I want to get it running strong and pulling hard.
I would just go ahead and buy a crate motor, because with a hci kit and haveing a shop do work to the bottom end it will probably end up costing the same.
I would just buy a tko 600 and call it a day to support the crate engine.
But then I would also have to work on the cooling system and ignition
What im asking is, budgeting.. Best crate engine that will satisfy what im looking for. For the best price. And if the money i save is an obstantial amount I would even put a blower on it.
I would'nt mind having new ideas and new views to looking at things.
Someone might say, buy a new 302 and just invest in a blower or turbo kit. Then youll have enough cash for supporting mods like a tko 600. Fuel and Cooling mods. And still have enough money to support shipping and tuneing
Before i do jump into things i want to ensure i have all parts that are needed. So like said before by another stangnetter im not stuck with empty pockets and an incomplete car. I have put a lot of thought into this, trying to figure my best route for this project.
Origionally I did intend to get a new gt-40 302. And just work the fuel, ignition and cooling system. Supported with a strong trans. And if i ever did decide to go big i would just put a blower on it. and call it a day.
But im open to any suggestions.
88-378
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You can see what I am doing/have done in my sig.
Don't listen to the negatives. it's your money and your car.
However, the AFR's ARE THE BEST head on the market bar none!
I would refresh the bottom end then put a nice HCI on it. Don't go too high with compression as it will give you an option of a blower in the future.
i would start with suspension, rear, tranny and work the way to the front.
Good luck.
Semper Fi
Don't listen to the negatives. it's your money and your car.
However, the AFR's ARE THE BEST head on the market bar none!
I would refresh the bottom end then put a nice HCI on it. Don't go too high with compression as it will give you an option of a blower in the future.
i would start with suspension, rear, tranny and work the way to the front.
Good luck.
Semper Fi
88mouse
New Member
I want to be over 400 hp reliably, reliable as in having the car running mechanically sound. Being able to go far distances confortably.
As of now the car runs horrible. It has absolutely no pull to it. It is tired and needs to be refreshed. But if im going to freshen things up i want to upgrade it with performance parts.
Instead of buying oem parts I wrather put performance parts to get power gains and benifit from the work. Im not worried about paint or any interior work because the body is mint with fresh paint. I want to get it running strong and pulling hard.
I would just go ahead and buy a crate motor, because with a hci kit and haveing a shop do work to the bottom end it will probably end up costing the same.
I would just buy a tko 600 and call it a day to support the crate engine.
But then I would also have to work on the cooling system and ignition
What im asking is, budgeting.. Best crate engine that will satisfy what im looking for. For the best price. And if the money i save is an obstantial amount I would even put a blower on it.
I would'nt mind having new ideas and new views to looking at things.
Someone might say, buy a new 302 and just invest in a blower or turbo kit. Then youll have enough cash for supporting mods like a tko 600. Fuel and Cooling mods. And still have enough money to support shipping and tuneing
I have put a lot of thought into this, trying to figure my best route for this project.
Origionally I did intend to get a new gt-40 302. And just work the fuel, ignition and cooling system. Supported with a strong trans. And if i ever did decide to go big i would just put a blower on it. and call it a day.
But im open to any suggestions.
You have a problem here. A stock bottem end 302 with H/C/I won't make 400hp.
watchdogfour
New Member
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my motor is making 360rwhp so that means over 400 at the flywheel so i will list my combo for you hopefully it might help you to get an idea what you have to have to get over 400hp and have a good running dependable motor.The first thing i got was a 347 stroker long block with all forged parts and afr 185"s and a erson cam with a 512 lift.You can get a 347 long block from several places for around 5500-6500 $ and they will build to suit what you need.Im shure these guys have pleny of recommendations as to the best places to get a long block coast high performance is a is a good one.The rest of my combo is
edelbrock rpm2
30 lb injectors
30lb mass air
bbk cold air
msd 6a
msd distributor
1 5/8 shorty headers
msd coil
ford raceing wires
ngk plugs
ford raceing valve covers to clear rockers
zoom clutch
holly adjustable fuel pressure regulator
190 holly fuel pump
professional tune with chip
new o2 sensors
70mm throttle body
edelbrock egr plate
7qt oil pan with pick up [came with long block]
new motor mounts
new collant temp sensor
ford raceing smog bypass
electric fan
stock cooling system works fine on my car
373 gears
running stock t5 five speed has held up so far but havent drove the car that mutch so we will see how that works out
when all was said and done i spent a little over 10.000$ but that is what it took to do it right and i maxed out a couple credit cars doing it so WHATS UP HA HA
my motor is making 360rwhp so that means over 400 at the flywheel so i will list my combo for you hopefully it might help you to get an idea what you have to have to get over 400hp and have a good running dependable motor.The first thing i got was a 347 stroker long block with all forged parts and afr 185"s and a erson cam with a 512 lift.You can get a 347 long block from several places for around 5500-6500 $ and they will build to suit what you need.Im shure these guys have pleny of recommendations as to the best places to get a long block coast high performance is a is a good one.The rest of my combo is
edelbrock rpm2
30 lb injectors
30lb mass air
bbk cold air
msd 6a
msd distributor
1 5/8 shorty headers
msd coil
ford raceing wires
ngk plugs
ford raceing valve covers to clear rockers
zoom clutch
holly adjustable fuel pressure regulator
190 holly fuel pump
professional tune with chip
new o2 sensors
70mm throttle body
edelbrock egr plate
7qt oil pan with pick up [came with long block]
new motor mounts
new collant temp sensor
ford raceing smog bypass
electric fan
stock cooling system works fine on my car
373 gears
running stock t5 five speed has held up so far but havent drove the car that mutch so we will see how that works out
when all was said and done i spent a little over 10.000$ but that is what it took to do it right and i maxed out a couple credit cars doing it so WHATS UP HA HA
KamiKaziDK
Member
Reman A-5 550hp Transmission, 1800. Trick Flow engine kit, 2500. Throttle Body, 190. Injectors, 250. Fuel pump, 120. Vortech supercharger, 3000. LT Headers and h-pipe 430, catback 300......that's all about $8,600.....Then you still have to get your bottom end rebuilt...that'll be about 1,200 w/windage tray depending on the machine shop. So you're looking at 9,800 dollars for just your engine and transmission, but you should be putting down solid low to mid 400hp to the ground with that combo....and that's if you buy brand new parts from a one of the performance mags. Piece it together off of E-bay and craigslist and you can cut costs by 20-60% depending on the deals you find and you're golden....then you'd have money for suspension upgrades....cause you're definitely gonna want subframe connectors and control arms with that sort of power
