Build Thread 1978 Mercury Cyclone. The pig is in the pen.

[95BlueStallion]

Well @madmike1157 , at least with a sanding another coating, you should have plenty of coverage for consistent color this second go round. Painting is my 2nd least favorite thing to do in the hobby, behind wiring. I never have the patience to do the steps needed for quality paint job, namely wait for paint to dry (primer). Hope your second go round goes the way you want. It is really cool to see the car in paint. That has to excite you at least a little bit.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

I'm soo glad you guys have went right ahead, and continued w/o me.

I just got home. Straight down to the garage, and now,...I'm thinking,...could the orange peel that looked so prevalent yesterday, have shrunk overnight as the paint dried?

I just cant get a decent picture w/ this stupid ass phone. The purple blotches don't actually exist. The purpose of the shots are to give you an idea of the texture. It is significantly smaller than it was yesterday,....To me, It's manageable.

But the reality is that there are many panels that'll have a completely different batch sprayed on them, If I somehow manage to colorsand, and buff this btch out.

I'm thinkin' that that isn't gonna be ideal......having a different gallon sprayed on the other pieces...color mismatch out the ass.

 

[Boosted92LX]

I'm soo glad you guys have went right ahead, and continued w/o me.

I just got home. Straight down to the garage, and now,...I'm thinking,...could the orange peel that looked so prevalent yesterday, have shrunk overnight as the paint dried?

I just cant get a decent picture w/ this stupid ass phone. The purple blotches don't actually exist. The purpose of the shots are to give you an idea of the texture. It is significantly smaller than it was yesterday,....To me, It's manageable.

But the reality is that there are many panels that'll have a completely different batch sprayed on them, If I somehow manage to colorsand, and buff this btch out.

I'm thinkin' that that isn't gonna be ideal......having a different gallon sprayed on the other pieces...color mismatch out the ass.

You're welcome!

Man, that's great, Mike! I was worried about my son's car, but the following day it laid fown, and I was pretty pleased overall.

You know- @Davedacarpainter may correct me, but a different batch of paint doesn't automatically mean a color mis match.. I know it's a chance, but not a given... Dave??

 

[Davedacarpainter]

I'm soo glad you guys have went right ahead, and continued w/o me.

I just got home. Straight down to the garage, and now,...I'm thinking,...could the orange peel that looked so prevalent yesterday, have shrunk overnight as the paint dried?

I just cant get a decent picture w/ this stupid ass phone. The purple blotches don't actually exist. The purpose of the shots are to give you an idea of the texture. It is significantly smaller than it was yesterday,....To me, It's manageable.

But the reality is that there are many panels that'll have a completely different batch sprayed on them, If I somehow manage to colorsand, and buff this btch out.

I'm thinkin' that that isn't gonna be ideal......having a different gallon sprayed on the other pieces...color mismatch out the ass.

Light can be a tricky thing Mike. Look at it in the sunlight. Who knows, maybe it shrunk back for a positive change?

Good color though, btw.

Shoot a fender with the new color before you sweat the color too much. The variant you can have is that whomever is mixing the paint is off from whomever mixed the last batch. Maybe it will be fine.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

In reality, what do I have to lose but some time and effort? If I work that quarter w/ 1000/1500/2000/2500-3000 before I hit it w/ a buffer what'll I be out?.......an hour?

If I can make that quarter look good, the rest of the car will fall into place like dominos.

What say you Dave?

Am I at the point of no return

 

[Davedacarpainter]

In reality, what do I have to lose but some time and effort? If I work that quarter w/ 1000/1500/2000/2500-3000 before I hit it w/ a buffer what'll I be out?.......an hour?

If I can make that quarter look good, the rest of the car will fall into place like dominos.

What say you Dave?

Am I at the point of no return

PNR? What do you have to lose Mike. Maybe it will all work out. If you can rub the car out then hoorah!

I would skip the 1k grit though, it will remove too much. Plus those scratches are a pain to remove and you need to be cognizant of the thickness of your paint.

If you can rub it out, I would still change the mix ratio to at least 8-1-2 for the other parts. Way less rubbing.

 

[Davedacarpainter]

In reality, what do I have to lose but some time and effort? If I work that quarter w/ 1000/1500/2000/2500-3000 before I hit it w/ a buffer what'll I be out?.......an hour?

If I can make that quarter look good, the rest of the car will fall into place like dominos.

What say you Dave?

Am I at the point of no return

And Damn, I was hoping you would pay for a plane ticket for me to come drink your beer!

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

And Damn, I was hoping you would pay for a plane ticket for me to come drink your beer!

Don't count that out just yet Dave,......

But here is my latest update,....This guy is the PPG/Fuzor rep from the other forum I spoke of earlier.

Sorry to hear about the paint issues. That particular paint is a thin viscosity product which is why it requires so little reducer. Some people don't reduce it at all, just add the hardener. It is lead free so coverage is compromised when comparing it to an older leaded formula. Since it is a bad hiding color the choice of the sealer color is critical. That color calls for a light gray undercoat for best coverage. You definitely have to keep the sealer and # of coats consistent on all the panels. Were you planning on spraying clear over the orange when you're done? If not, it is going to be very easy for the sealer to show on the edges when sanding and buffing the color

 

[Davedacarpainter]

Don't count that out just yet Dave,......

But here is my latest update,....This guy is the PPG/Fuzor rep from the other forum I spoke of earlier.

Sorry to hear about the paint issues. That particular paint is a thin viscosity product which is why it requires so little reducer. Some people don't reduce it at all, just add the hardener. It is lead free so coverage is compromised when comparing it to an older leaded formula. Since it is a bad hiding color the choice of the sealer color is critical. That color calls for a light gray undercoat for best coverage. You definitely have to keep the sealer and # of coats consistent on all the panels. Were you planning on spraying clear over the orange when you're done? If not, it is going to be very easy for the sealer to show on the edges when sanding and buffing the color

At least this guy doesn't sound like a jerk.

Automotive paint has been made without lead for a bit of time now, during the switch from leaded paint, I never really noticed any coverage difference.

I'll get hold of some single stage fuzor here and shoot it, I'll give you my impressions of what I think would help. I'm pretty good friends with a PPG rep here (he actually used to paint for a living). I'll talk to him about your problem too.

He's right about color sanding on edges with single stage, I would tend to avoid them all together, even contact with the buffer could be a bad thing.

You have sealed, or will seal the panels with the same color sealer, I assume.

Like when we have talked before, I mentioned that was important.

Let me get back with you after I shoot some of it. I'll get ahold of my friend today.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

At least this guy doesn't sound like a jerk.

Automotive paint has been made without lead for a bit of time now, during the switch from leaded paint, I never really noticed any coverage difference.

I'll get hold of some single stage fuzor here and shoot it, I'll give you my impressions of what I think would help. I'm pretty good friends with a PPG rep here (he actually used to paint for a living). I'll talk to him about your problem too.

He's right about color sanding on edges with single stage, I would tend to avoid them all together, even contact with the buffer could be a bad thing.

You have sealed, or will seal the panels with the same color sealer, I assume.

Like when we have talked before, I mentioned that was important.

Let me get back with you after I shoot some of it. I'll get ahold of my friend today.

Thank you sir,...I was planning to avoid the body lines/end of panels that the buffer will just tear through. But at this point I'm thinking that there must be 5000 mils of paint on the car. When I was painting it, I just applied one light, and two full wet coats...
And my gun pressure was probably too low ...(like 30psi at the gun) but since there is never any recommended pressures on anything I spray, I'm always guessing at that.

The sealer went on flawlessly in one coat, and it only took one qt. to cover the same area that it took 3-3.5 qts of that orange paint.

I have another full qt. of that same color sealer for the other remaining pieces.

We'll see I guess,.....I'll attempt a wetsand tonight when i get home, if the wife doesn't drag me out somewhere tonight.

 

[Davedacarpainter]

Thank you sir,...I was planning to avoid the body lines/end of panels that the buffer will just tear through. But at this point I'm thinking that there must be 5000 mils of paint on the car. When I was painting it, I just applied one light, and two full wet coats...
And my gun pressure was probably too low ...(like 30psi at the gun) but since there is never any recommended pressures on anything I spray, I'm always guessing at that.

The sealer went on flawlessly in one coat, and it only took one qt. to cover the same area that it took 3-3.5 qts of that orange paint.

I have another full qt. of that same color sealer for the other remaining pieces.

We'll see I guess,.....I'll attempt a wetsand tonight when i get home, if the wife doesn't drag me out somewhere tonight.

Is your gun an hvlp? Hvlp guns don't require a lot of pressure. 30 is about average...25-30. Of course it all depends on how your gun shoots with the product you're using.

Single stage should be shot very similarly to as you would clear coat. "Light" coats generally aren't helpful for you.

 

[Davedacarpainter]

Hey Mike, what's the exact name of the paint you used?

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Hey Mike, what's the exact name of the paint you used?

Shopline Acrylic Enamel. #JE The color is Ford Competition Orange (the color on the 2004 Harley Davidson edition F250)

 

[Davedacarpainter]

Shopline Acrylic Enamel. #JE The color is Ford Competition Orange (the color on the 2004 Harley Davidson edition F250)

Thanks

 

[Davedacarpainter]

Ok Mike, got the paint ordered.

What I'll do is grab a fender out of the scrap bin, sand it down, shoot it with grey sealer and then follow up with your paint according to the 8-1-1 mixing ratio. I'll take pictures of each stage with thoughts concerning that moment.

The jobber doesn't sell that line, but can get some. It may be a day or two. I'm just getting a pint of it with enough activator and reducer to spray it.

I'll let you know man.

 

[a91what]

Ok Mike, got the paint ordered.

What I'll do is grab a fender out of the scrap bin, sand it down, shoot it with grey sealer and then follow up with your paint according to the 8-1-1 mixing ratio. I'll take pictures of each stage with thoughts concerning that moment.

The jobber doesn't sell that line, but can get some. It may be a day or two. I'm just getting a pint of it with enough activator and reducer to spray it.

I'll let you know man.

What a guy, not everyone is that committed to help others. I'm glad you joined us here.

 

[Davedacarpainter]

What a guy, not everyone is that committed to help others. I'm glad you joined us here.

I'm not doing it for Mike! I'm doing it for the Monster! All hail the monster!

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

I'm not doing it for Mike! I'm doing it for the Monster! All hail the monster!

Oh,....*gulp*...I'm all misty here

* sniff, sniff.....
* rapidly fans face ala miss America.

Give me a minute........




You're coming out of pocket to buy a qt of paint ( that you don't need)
Just to make sure of what?....

To see if the mixing instructions are correct?

( you know you're gonna be able to lay that panel out flawlessly don't you Dave? You know you're gonna be able to say "s hit worked ok for me Mikie, I don't know what your problem is".)

Well don't you Dave?

I know why you're doing it D, and I appreciate it immensely. Let me know how much it costs, and I'll send you a ck via penguin.

 

[Davedacarpainter]

Oh,....*gulp*...I'm all misty here

* sniff, sniff.....
* rapidly fans face ala miss America.

Give me a minute........




You're coming out of pocket to buy a qt of paint ( that you don't need)
Just to make sure of what?....

To see if the mixing instructions are correct?

( you know you're gonna be able to lay that panel out flawlessly don't you Dave? You know you're gonna be able to say "s hit worked ok for me Mikie, I don't know what your problem is".)

Well don't you Dave?

I know why you're doing it D, and I appreciate it immensely. Let me know how much it costs, and I'll send you a ck via penguin.

What?! Are you crazy?! A quart! Nah, it's only a pint. Besides, I haven't shot that paint before, it'll be interesting.

Here's the deal, I help you through this then next year when I head to Myrtle Beach for mustang week, I'll stop by your place and you have scotch waiting for me and I'll drool all over the monster, deal?

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

What?! Are you crazy?! A quart! Nah, it's only a pint. Besides, I haven't shot that paint before, it'll be interesting.

Here's the deal, I help you through this then next year when I head to Myrtle Beach for mustang week, I'll stop by your place and you have scotch waiting for me and I'll drool all over the monster, deal?

How can I refuse that?