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I've been following along here, and frankly, never thought a Fairmont, oops, excuse, me Zepher, (did I spell that right? It is a Merc Zepher, right?) could look so bad ass. Keep at it, you'll get it in the end. I get the frustration when something that you worked very long and hard at, doesn't work out as planned. Anyway, in the end, whatever route you decide to take, you'll ultimately have something unique. I mean, even if you end up with something that "everybody does it", like a 2.3 ecoboost, who the hell has put one in a Zepher:cheers:
 
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Thanks ...but It's a Fairmont actually.
The Zephyr was the mercury version.
( means " soft gentle breeze")
Not hardly if I'm renaming it.
The fact that I adopted an old mercury name badge has nothing to do with cars origins ..ford never maxe a midsize that had a name worth copying...
Except thunderbolt. For 1 year.
The cyclone badge was carried from 66-72
Much easier to plagiarize.
 
Yeah, I remember the old Mercury Cyclone, Dyno Don Nicholson raced one, (one of my earliest model builds). That's why figured you were building a Zephyr, not a Fairmont, but really, what is the difference, other than some badges. Honestly, I always thought the early to mid 60's Fairlanes, (after the Galaxies became the full size Fords) were pretty cool. My first car was 63 Galaxie 500 4 dr sedan with a 352 boat anchor, but anytime a bunch of buddies (Camaros, Mustangs, Dart Sports) wanted to go somewhere, guess who drove:). Heck, you got that boat balled up, watch out. Later on I looked at a 63 Fairlane 2dr hardtop with a 289, but couldn't come up with the money, being a broke ass college student working his way thru (no college loans then, at least for me)
Anyway, keep at it, you'll get it in the end.
Hell. I'm starting to rethink my 95, I've been so worried about having a "cool looking" car, that I've only done mechanical work to keep it running, worrying too much about cosmetics, trying to have chick magnet.( I'm 61, if I want a chick magnet, I need a Lambo:hide:) Watched Roadkill the other night, they took their "Vanishing Paint" Challenger on a road trip (1700 mi, if I remember right), to an autocross championship, it looked liked crap, but drove like hell. I'm starting to think I'll be better off worrying about the performance, than the cosmetics, more fun that way.
 
I’m going to say something . You’ll think I’m nuts . Toyota 2jz . Make 600hp stock long block with cams and head studs . Chinese 6766 equivalent . Be reliable . Your ecu can run it . Trans you are limited to a Chevy variant t400 which you don’t want or I think guys have made a 4l80 work . There are some fast a340 Toyota trans cars out there but i have no idea how fitment would be in the car . Or go t56 . They are testing 6r80s actually right now , I know power by hour was involved in a supra but I haven’t heard anything being released yet . Motor is best bang for the buck and on pump gas at 580-600 you’d have a car that would be a blast . Parts everywhere they are in so many passenger Lexus and Toyota cars over the years . You prob won’t agree but it’s a thought. Great engines .
 
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Having worked on every piece of SH!+ toyOTa engine family, I'd never disgrace the presence of a Fix Or Repair Daily with that purile crap. Thanks for sharing tho'
Bite your tongue.

I work on all makes and models for a living, and Toyotas generally need the least work, and are the easiest to work on, while paying incredibly well. It's why I have a Toyota for a daily.
 
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Having worked on every piece of SH!+ toyOTa engine family, I'd never disgrace the presence of a Fix Or Repair Daily with that purile crap. Thanks for sharing tho'
Yeah 2jz esp in its stock form Na in a Lexus are known to go 200k+ with maintence . My post was speaking from experience with the engine . But thanks for sharing .....
 
I’m going to say something . You’ll think I’m nuts . Toyota 2jz . Make 600hp stock long block with cams and head studs . Chinese 6766 equivalent . Be reliable . Your ecu can run it . Trans you are limited to a Chevy variant t400 which you don’t want or I think guys have made a 4l80 work . There are some fast a340 Toyota trans cars out there but i have no idea how fitment would be in the car . Or go t56 . They are testing 6r80s actually right now , I know power by hour was involved in a supra but I haven’t heard anything being released yet . Motor is best bang for the buck and on pump gas at 580-600 you’d have a car that would be a blast . Parts everywhere they are in so many passenger Lexus and Toyota cars over the years . You prob won’t agree but it’s a thought. Great engines .
Hey,. @ TOOLOW91, look,....you made me edit my statement.
Today I roll. Today, Steve will attempt to teach my stupid ass enough about TunerStudio where I'm not afraid to even touch one of the tuning tables..
It's the freakin MS3x that intimidates..With the previous MSII, there was a simpler GUI...the tuning tables were not as capable, but I wasn't terrified to get into them and dick around. There was only 1 I/o page. I could clearly find which output was tied to my fan, water pump, injectors, fuel pump, idle valve, boost controller, and water meth injection.

Now there's 3 pages....of just programmable i/o's.
I have no clue where the water pump even is, much less the boost controller, or water meth injection..
And now that Steve has gotten the engine to idle by varying the ignition timing.....:suicide:

I'm just gonna come to class in jeans, unlaced boots and a t shirt,..,sit in the back, throw paper airplanes and shoot rubber bands at the nerds. For all I know about this software, I may as well be a tough guy wannabe thug.k
 
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I just looked at the event info...it makes no restriction on how the car is powered. It's the only freaking event I go to.


I just looked at 2jz engines....you can get them complete, with the harness and ecu attached, with between 45-60 k miles on them.
For 2699-2999...shipped free.

When you think about it...it's a Barra with a different valve cover.
They all are.
Every new engine that uses VVT/VANOS, direct injection, and twin turbos to make the power they make are all similarly vague.in other words,..if I put anything in the car other than an old school pushrod v8 most don't know what they're looking at.
So it doesn't matter if it's a v6 ford Eco boost, or a 325t Barra.......or a 2jz. I'm still gonna get asked " What am I looking at here?"

Except after looking at all of those engines, I can buy the 2jz for half. And the tiny looking bellhousing can be easily adapted to my SBF bell trans.

As far as the Monster is concerned...Fairmont stopped being a " purists'" car they day they rolled off of the assembly line. Add to that that I stopped caring about " Ford power" when I stopped caring about drag racing 20 years ago..

Now,..don't get me wrong,...I like my ford engines in a ford car when it matters,..if the cars worth something as a Ford, it's best to leave it all ford, i.e. Don't put an LS in a 93 Cobra.
But my car is androgynous....most people don't know what the hell a Fairmont even is when they see one, and for those that do,...most wouldn't own one.

They're endangered species..slotted for the crusher.

So,...if I put a 2jz in the Monster over the winter, so freakin what? And.....
If I rebadge that valve cover with a ford logo,..whose gonna freakin know it's not?

I love this idea.
 
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I just looked at the event info...it makes no restriction on how the car is powered. It's the only freaking event I go to.


I just looked at 2jz engines....you can get them complete, with the harness and ecu attached, with between 45-60 k miles on them.
For 2699-2999...shipped free.

When you think about it...it's a Barra with a different valve cover.
They all are.
Every new engine that uses VVT/VANOS, direct injection, and twin turbos to make the power they make are all similarly vague.in other words,..if I put anything in the car other than an old school pushrod v8 most don't know what they're looking at.
So it doesn't matter if it's a v6 ford Eco boost, or a 325t Barra.......or a 2jz. I'm still gonna get asked " What am I looking at here?"

Except after looking at all of those engines, I can buy the 2jz for half. And the tiny looking bellhousing can be easily adapted to my SBF bell trans.

As far as the Monster is concerned...Fairmont stopped being a " purists'" car they day they rolled off of the assembly line. Add to that that I stopped caring about " Ford power" when I stopped caring about drag racing 20 years ago..

Now,..don't get me wrong,...I like my ford engines in a ford car when it matters,..if the cars worth something as a Ford, it's best to leave it all ford, i.e. Don't put an LS in a 93 Cobra.
But my car is androgynous....most people don't know what the hell a Fairmont even is when they see one, and for those that do,...most wouldn't own one.

They're endangered species..slotted for the crusher.

So,...if I put a 2jz in the Monster over the winter, so freakin what? And.....
If I rebadge that valve cover with a ford logo,..whose gonna freakin know it's not?

I love this idea.
There were once plans for a 4.8 LS with a big turbo in ElSuperPinto. Exact reasoning you have for The Monster, "It's a Mustang II, nobody will give a flying :leghump:." Certain cars are more appealing with a bastard swap, we each own one.

I also briefly flirted with the idea of a Toyota 2UZ V8 (same as what's in my 4Runner), but the rods in 2UZs hate boost (they'll go 1,000,000+ miles N/A).

I may regret not doing the LS when I get past the research and parts hoarding stage of it's current super-secret powertrain swap. The engine I've chosen is going to require a lot of cutting and fab.


I love this guy's Nissan SR20-swapped Mustang II, it's.... It's perfect.

Do the 2JZ if it'll make you happy, it's one hell of an engine.
 
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Since you don't like the belly button builds, here is an alternative for you:

Ford Boss 6.2 V8

The 6.2 L (379 cu in) V8 is the main variant of the Boss engine. The V8 shares design similarities with the Modular Engine family such as a deep-skirt block with cross-bolted main caps, crankshaft-driven gerotor oil pump, overhead cam valve train arrangement, and bellhousing bolt pattern. In particular, the 6.2 L features a two-valve per cylinder SOHC valve train with roller-rocker shafts and two spark plugs per cylinder, as well as dual-equal variable cam timing. Just as notable is that they use a much wider 4.53 in (115.1 mm) bore spacing (compared to the Modular's 3.937 in (100.0 mm)), allowing for the use of larger bore diameters and valves. The 6.2 L V8 has a bore diameter and stroke of 4.015 in × 3.74 in (102.0 mm × 95.0 mm). It has lightweight aluminum cylinder heads and pistons, but makes use of a cast-iron cylinder block for extra durability since most applications for the engine will be trucks.[2]

This V8 went into production in early 2010 and debuted in the 2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor as a late-availability option. A limited-edition version of the Raptor from Ford Racing called the Raptor XT features a high-output version of the 6.2 L V8 with about 500 hp (370 kW).[3] For the 2011 model year, the 6.2 L V8 was introduced in Ford's Super Duty pickups as a replacement for both the 5.4 L Triton V8 and the 6.8 L Triton V10, and in the F-150 as the premium engine option, though it was not available in all configurations.[2]

For 2017 the 6.2 L V8 in the Super Duty received new tuning and modified camshafts to bump torque to 430 lb⋅ft (583 N⋅m), while power remained 385 hp (287 kW). It was also now mated to Ford's TorqShift G 6 speed transmission; Ford's Live-Drive Power Takeoff (PTO) Provision with Mobile Mode is also optional on 6.2 L equipped trucks.


Applications for the 16-valve SOHC VCT 6.2 L V8 include:
2010 - 2012 F-150 HD Harley-Davidson
2010 - 2014 F-150 SVT Raptor, 411 hp (306 kW) @ 5500 rpm, 434 lb⋅ft (588 N⋅m) @ 4500 rpm
2011 - 2014 Ford F-Series, 411 hp (306 kW) @ 5500 rpm, 434 lb⋅ft (588 N⋅m) @ 4500 rpm
2011–2016 Ford F-Series Super Duty, 385 hp (287 kW) @ 5500 rpm, 405 lb⋅ft (549 N⋅m) @ 4500 rpm
2017–Present Ford F-Series Super Duty, 385 hp (287 kW) @ 5750 rpm, 430 lb⋅ft (583 N⋅m) @ 3800 rpm[4]
2017 Ford E-Series, Cutaway and Stripped Chassis

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I just looked at the event info...it makes no restriction on how the car is powered. It's the only freaking event I go to.


I just looked at 2jz engines....you can get them complete, with the harness and ecu attached, with between 45-60 k miles on them.
For 2699-2999...shipped free.

When you think about it...it's a Barra with a different valve cover.
They all are.
Every new engine that uses VVT/VANOS, direct injection, and twin turbos to make the power they make are all similarly vague.in other words,..if I put anything in the car other than an old school pushrod v8 most don't know what they're looking at.
So it doesn't matter if it's a v6 ford Eco boost, or a 325t Barra.......or a 2jz. I'm still gonna get asked " What am I looking at here?"

Except after looking at all of those engines, I can buy the 2jz for half. And the tiny looking bellhousing can be easily adapted to my SBF bell trans.

As far as the Monster is concerned...Fairmont stopped being a " purists'" car they day they rolled off of the assembly line. Add to that that I stopped caring about " Ford power" when I stopped caring about drag racing 20 years ago..

Now,..don't get me wrong,...I like my ford engines in a ford car when it matters,..if the cars worth something as a Ford, it's best to leave it all ford, i.e. Don't put an LS in a 93 Cobra.
But my car is androgynous....most people don't know what the hell a Fairmont even is when they see one, and for those that do,...most wouldn't own one.

They're endangered species..slotted for the crusher.

So,...if I put a 2jz in the Monster over the winter, so freakin what? And.....
If I rebadge that valve cover with a ford logo,..whose gonna freakin know it's not?

I love this idea.
I’m in awe and happy I sparked the brain . Non vvti versions are getting harder to come by but are easier to setup . If steve is proficient in tuning the variable stuff then no issues . These engines are awesome . I have a lot of supra friends , my buddy just built a 1jz headed 2jz bottom end Cressida that made 783 to the tire on pump meth at 26 psi .
 
I should have stopped at 333 posts like I intended. W@nkers the lot of you. What kind of f!-!|《t@rd even contemplates putting a Toy Motor into a FoMoCo product. My last 7 Toyotas have been purile, souless and engineering retarded "monstrocities" that make reast in the Nostramo awaiting an alien attack a prefference to this Hell Hole. Time to go for me. I feel like Frank Zappa when his audience partipation test reveals 100% are morons.
 
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I should have stopped at 333 posts like I intended. W@nkers the lot of you. What kind of f!-!|《t@rd even contemplates putting a Toy Motor into a FoMoCo product. My last 7 Toyotas have been purile, souless and engineering retarded "monstrocities" that make reast in the Nostramo awaiting an alien attack a prefference to this Hell Hole. Time to go for me. I feel like Frank Zappa when his audience partipation test reveals 100% are morons.
CMA considers a motor you don’t like-so you’re gonna take your ball and go home huh?
 
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