Really? It depends on what criteria you use for "the best"!
But I understand if you need to have "the best" most hyped 2011 V6
i'm one of those freakish americans that isn't addicted to having "the best". until the 5.0 came along 305hp was plenty, what changed? well nothing, except the fact that some folks just can't take not having the top dog AND some folks will invariably stretch their means and sacrifice in other areas to have the bigger motor.
Really? It depends on what criteria you use for "the best"!I think you are missing the point that with rebates and incentives from dealers to get the 2010's off the lot you can get a bigger/better (or at least with proven reliability and not a completely new unproven design) motor, and probably better resale down the road for about the same $$ as the 2011 V6! Also, you're NOT buying a year old car from a warranty perspective...I believe the timer starts ticking when it gets titled and you drive it off the lot; not the date of manufacture.
But I understand if you need to have "the best" most hyped 2011 V6
I live in Florida and just went to a ford dealer yesterday to see if the price difference was only $5k. When I priced the base 6cyl ($22995) to the base V8 ($31995). It looks to be more like a 8-9k difference and that is about $20 for every thousand on a car payment. I also ask the salesman if they were base models just for this thread. If you think about that is I would think pretty spot on. I doubt for would price it that close for base vs base, otherwise they would never sell any V6 cars.
well, the 2010 v8 only dynos roughly 260rwhp stock too, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. Most of the "muscle cars" of old didn't make that kind of power either.People its a v-6!!!! How can anyone call a v-6 a muscle car? It doesnt sound nor does it perform like a muscle car! Its a 260 something at best rwhp car, dont be fooled by the flywheel rating of 300hp. Dont get me wrong its a considerable improvement over its previous counterparts but thats it! An as for that hollywood production of a commercial featuring the v-6... yeah right! There will be some poor sucker who buys that wolf ticket of a car only to have his dreams crushed by a V-8! Save ur money, the 5.0 coyote is your best bet!!
well, the 2010 v8 only dynos roughly 260rwhp stock too, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. Most of the "muscle cars" of old didn't make that kind of power either.
are you really so concerned with other people's opinions and absolutely snowed by the americanized idea of :i've gotta have the best cause good enough ain't good enough" that you can't see how great the new V6 is?
its a fuggin 30mpg 13 second 6speed LSD equipped car that costs 21K.
dude, if you don't see the value in that you're on the wrong dang forum. if you want the best car on the planet you better trade in your boat anchor equipped pony car ASAP.
the fact of the matter is that its the best value for up to the GT price range and some of us dont want to spend 500+ bones a month on a car payment.
"sure it performs great but its not a V8!" ya know, its like i told a guy once. i'm sorry it costs so much for you to be happy with what you've got.
I understand ur point, but the increase in hp and the modifications made to the 2011 v-6 are modest at best. Yes its a step up for the v-6 but in my opinion, those new upgrades hardly qualify it to be a muscle car... in the true sense of what a muscle car was and is! Once again, the dual over head cams, dual exhaust and 3:31 gears and so on are a big improvement!!! But at the end of the day its v-6. They will never sound or preform like the modular V-8's, real muscle! They (Ford) made that commercial and hype the new v-6 like it was some tire shreading, power planting monster... ok I understand the need to sell the public on it but really, its over hype! If thats the case, can't wait to see how the advertise the 5.0!
horsepower is horsepower. you can talk all day about the number of cylinders but the reality is that power is important, not engine configuration.
the number of cylinders is a ridiculous detail that (at the end of the day) doesn't really matter in terms of track performance. displacement does but with so many options these days even that is subject to being thwarted by the infamous driver mod.
schumacher could put that V6 around a track faster than a normal guy in a 2010GT.
thats the point. if its NEGLIGABLE arguing as if having a V6 is some kind of travesty only reveals how little you know about the subject.
Completely false.
Displacement isn't the be all, end all deciding factor. Multi-cylinder engines are always more desirable in a performance application. For comparison sake, take two engines with the identical displacement. One with 6-cylinders and one with 8-cylinders. Even though the displacement is the same, the 8 cylinder engine promotes more cylinder surface area. This for starters not only aids in more even cylinder temperatures because of the smaller diameter pistons ability to more quickly dissipate heat, but also has the additional advantage of two more cylinders worth of intake and exhaust ports....thus increasing volumetric efficiency.
Couple this with the fact that because of the additional two cylinders, the V8 uses a shorter stroke, and that a powerstroke occurs every 90-degree's (unlike a V6 where a powerstroke only occurs every 120-degree's), you've got a more rev happy engine, with greater horsepower and RPM making potential.
The V6 in this case with its longer stroke will have greater low end torque potential, but will sign off much earlier in the power band than the V8 will.
Ever wonder why exotics are always utilizing small displacement V10 and V12 engines, yet pulling astronomical horsepower figures from them? Now you know! If it were just as easy to extract those kinds of power levels out of only a V6, don't you think they would have gone that route?
It's funny you mention Michael Schumacher. These Formula 1 drivers all drive small displacement V8 engines making beyond 700hp with 2.6L of displacement spinning upwards of 19,000RPM. Coincidence?
It’s commendable that Ford has been able to extract the kinds of power levels they have out of the latest V6 for certain….but let’s not go getting ahead of ourselves. All displacement being equal, the muliti cylinder engine will always produce more power.
you're probably right if two IDENTICAL engine configurations are used. however with direct injection or not turbo or no sc or not bore, stroke, piston diameter, cylinder head design, tuning and ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of that comes out DIFFERENT your argument is buried under a mountain of other variables THEN channeled through a squishy human to punch all the right pedals, pull all the right levers, and turn all the right knobs at the right time in order to use all of that effectively renders your perfectly logical argument practically pointless.
If your not talking about two similar engine configurations (or drivers for that matter), what's the point in even debating?
you're probably right if two IDENTICAL engine configurations are used. however with direct injection or not turbo or no sc or not bore, stroke, piston diameter, cylinder head design, tuning and ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of that comes out DIFFERENT your argument is buried under a mountain of other variables THEN channeled through a squishy human to punch all the right pedals, pull all the right levers, and turn all the right knobs at the right time in order to use all of that effectively renders your perfectly logical argument practically pointless.
the number of cylinders is a ridiculous detail that (at the end of the day) doesn't really matter in terms of track performance.
Now that the air has been cleared and the facts set strait, there probably isn't.If your not talking about two similar engine configurations (or drivers for that matter), what's the point in even debating?
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