300hp Camaro....V6

Can't wait to see the Mustang GT get absolutely smashed by the new V6 Camaro...all while getting 26mpg on the highway (rated, obviously higher in real world). It also has a smaller engine than the Mustang's V6 at 3.6L.

Here are all of the release notes/pages on the Camaro which was revealed live, today.

GMnext | New Chevrolet Camaro | GM

And the notes on the powertrain:
Powertrains
An advanced, efficient 3.6L direct-injected V-6 with variable valve timing is standard on LS and LT models. Direct injection technology helps the engine deliver more power through increased efficiency, while maintaining fuel economy and lowering emissions. That means less fuel is consumed and lower emissions generated – including a 25- percent drop in cold-start hydrocarbon emissions.

The Camaro’s 3.6L engine also employs variable valve timing to optimize performance and fuel economy across the rpm range. It is rated at an estimated 300 horsepower (224 kW) and 273 lb.-ft. of torque (370 Nm). A six-speed manual transmission is standard with the 3.6L engine; a Hydra-Matic 6L50 electronically controlled six-speed automatic, with TAPshift control, is available.

The high-performance Camaro SS is equipped with a powerful 6.2L V-8, with a choice of a six-speed manual or six-speed automatic transmission. Standard, manual transmission-equipped models receive the LS3 engine, estimated at 422 horsepower (315 kW) and 408 lb.-ft. of torque (553 Nm). The LS3 debuted on the 2008 Corvette and uses high-flow cylinder heads based on the Corvette Z06’s LS7 engine to enable great low-end torque and high-rpm power. It is paired with a TR6060 six-speed transmission.

A new, L99 V-8 engine is used on automatic transmission-equipped SS models. It is
based on the LS3 and carries all of its high-performance design features, but also
includes GM’s fuel-saving Active Fuel Management feature. It enables the engine to run on only four cylinders during light-load driving conditions, such as highway cruising, to improve fuel economy. The V-8 is estimated at 400 horsepower (299 kW) and 395 lb.-ft. of torque (535 Nm); and it is matched with a Hydra-Matic 6L80 six-speed transmission. This combination delivers an estimated 23 mpg on the highway.
 
I'm about 1/2 way to ordering my nitrous. Better get that installed before I get spanked by a stock V6. Doesn't say what the weight will be, though. Not to mention the GT's V8 responds a lot better to mods. Between the weight difference and bolt-ons, I don't think they will be much trouble.
 
I'm sure it will be a lot heavier.. But in any case, Ford has always underpowered the Mustang compared to it's competition. Look at the time that LS1 Camaros were new, they had 325+ horsepower, when a GT had 265. Or was it 245? But Mustangs always manage to outsel, despite their lack of power.

Either way though, I think that too many people on Mustang boards spend too much time worrying/complaining about being beaten by the New Camaro or Challanger. Oh well, if Chevy and Dodge want to give their cars more balls, then more power to them. But just because your Mustang isn't faster doesn't mean you should cry about it, just enjoy your car as it is, make it faster, or whatever you need to do to have fun with it, regardless of wether or not that Chevy can beat you. If you bought your car to be king of the road, you bought the wrong car. Hell, we have enough to worry about beating 10 year old F-bodys, let alone new ones. Big deal. There will always be a faster car. Just have fun...
 
I agree Urban, but at the same time, the Camaro has never looked good before. At least this time it looks pretty good and I imagine the V6 will sell relatively well if they have decent quality this go-round.

Yep, someone is always gonna be faster.

The new Camaro looks allright, I guess; I just wonder who the blind, delusional clown was who designed and approved the radio/climate control stack? That thing looks like someones' nightmare.

Also, I wonder where the V6 will be priced at? The appeal of the Mustang is 300hp for $23K + TTL new and relatively cheap aftermarket parts. I'm guessing new aftermarket Camaro parts are gonna be more expensive, as will the V6 and upper level models of the Camaro. Add to that the fact that GM is a bit late to the game on the retro-muscle car and I'm wondering if the new Camaro will be all that big a hit once the initial interest wears off.
 
yeah i dont think w/ the economy and gas prices people wont be out rushing to buy muscle cars/hot rods so the camaro and dodge might be a lil screwed on many moneys on that ;D

plus i seriously doubt the stock v6 camaro will be that quick at the track.
 
yeah i dont think w/ the economy and gas prices people wont be out rushing to buy muscle cars/hot rods so the camaro and dodge might be a lil screwed on many moneys on that ;D

plus i seriously doubt the stock v6 camaro will be that quick at the track.

Why? The 2002 V6 was beating stock 2002 Mustang GT's back then so I don't see why that is out of the question this time.

And yeah, gas prices are high, but the V6 gets close to 30mpg and will probably sell pretty well because of it.

All the rumors that I have heard are the new Camaro SS (V8) is going to be around 30k with most of the bells and whistles and the V6 is low 20's. That is exactly the sticker on the Mustang's (GT and V6). How much will they be selling for is the better question.
 
Big deal, ford is putting the ecoboost V-6 in the stang here shortly, the twin turbo version is rated at 330 hp. Ford hasn't allways under powered the mustang, back in the day you could get a 390, 428 CJ, 429 CJ, 429 SCJ, BOSS 429, BOSS 351, 351 CJ and the awesome BOSS 302 to name a few. The only ford high performance engine to escape the stang was the 427 or it's big brother, the 427 SOHC. The cammer 427 was sold as a 600 hp create motor, it never came out in a factory car. However, Tasca ford sold mustangs with the 427 cammer installed by them. A turn key 600 hp mustang in the 60's was an awesome event. These cars were sold to serious drag racers and were fast even by todays standards. Tasca sold race ready mustangs and Yanco sold race ready camero's, those were the days. Were not even under powered now, but we will be when the camero and challenger hit the streets. Even at that, we can run with the dodge because of the weight. The SRT-8 CHALLENGER is a high profile car and is in the same class as the shelby, not the GT, so we still got dodge covered. If the V-6 stang will be at 330 hp or so, then you know the V-8 will have to be over 400 hp and thats just the base GT, not to mention any special edition stangs that will come down the pike. As mustang lovers, were still in good shape. Don't be so fast to panic, "besides", good drivers win more races than do fast cars. I'm sure a lot of us have won races that we shouldn't of against faster cars because of our driving skill and some times not. It's not over untill the fat lady sings and she's not even on the stage yet.
 
Has anyone seen any official curb weights of the new camaro?

I would even expect the V6 version to be heavier than a GT. The downside is that 300 hp is just a rating, GM could be underrating like they did the LS1 (320 hp rating with about 300 RWHP.

Better be buying up the boltons boys. It would suck getting walked by a V6 camaro.:nonono:

The new camaro has grown on me a lot, I think they'll be plenty of competition for the mustang if the prices are competitive. Ford better be putting that 5.0 out in the next couple years. I don't think the stang is going to blow the camaro away in sales unless it has some comparable power this time around.

I already like the new camaro better than the F bodies and if I decide on another new car in a couple years I may be jumping ship unless Ford has something special under the hood of the GT. The 3v 4.6 is great but 6.0 > 4.6.
 
Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for GM's North American rear-wheel-drive platform and owner of a first-generation Camaro convertible, was pleased to run through his baby's accomplishments.

According to Oppenheiser, the new 300-horsepower 3.6-liter V6-equipped Camaro will run from zero to 60 mph in 6.1 seconds regardless of transmission choice. The V6 coupe will cover the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds with an auto and 14.7 seconds with a manual, both at 97 mph.

Oh yea GT drivers better watch out. :bs:

Even a half competent driver in a New Edge GT should easily best those numbers. :shrug: Only one that'd be close is maybe a 'vert auto. Those numbers are really closer to non-PI GTs.
 
I'd be willing to bet that a magazine will get better numbers than that out of it. They are a little heavy, but they are still nice.

Oh no doubt, they def look like sweet cars, :flag:

I can see where worst driver in a GT (talkin Car&Driver tester caliber here) vs best driver (ala Evan Smith) in Camaro V6 would be close but everything else being equal it shouldn't be close at all, but then again this is pure speculation at this point.

Stock new GTs are a tick behind Mach 1s, with some simple tuning and a CAI they are pretty much neck and neck, I just really can't see a V6 'Maro even being close to that, stock or close to it which is mid to low 13's pretty easy.
 
3750 lbs for the V6, 39XX for the V8. So the V6 is 300 lbs heavier than our V8.

I suck at drag racing and I ran a 13.8, so no worries. 39XX lbs & 422 hp is slower than GT500 at ~$44,000. So the real question is, what is the pricing going to be like?
 
I have a feeling the "retro"camaro will not make the big "splash" the mustang did with the retro look.

Think about it... the era the new mustang is referenceing back to is the era when the PONY was king, yeah there are always "muscle cars", and even back then the mustang was slow in comparrison to the challengers and the Camaros, cudas, and plenty more... with their big blocks ect. but the mustang was always the classic everyone tlaked about yeah 69 camaros were sweet cars.

but the car everyone is more familiar with is 67' or 68' stang. And believe it or not alot of those people back then who bougth the mustang are still around today to buy the new ones too. in 1968 the mustang offered up a 427 cid with only 390 hp,

the 69 Camaro offered up a 427 cid with 425 hp, and it was running , 3 (2) barrel carbs. But the mustang was the more popular car.

I think ford has got a good grip on the Retro market, Old guys want it because it reminds them of their first car, and the young guys want it because it is... well...a mustang. They have a head start by going for a look that was popular in the late 60's so of course it will be popular with the same crowd today.
 
Sometimes a spanking might be fun.... but seriously I doubt any '05--09 GT owners needs to be worried. How about the new 425 horse Challenger??? Mid 13's at best in the 1/4 mile and a 0-60 in the mid 5's for a $40K+ markup not counting the insurance premium and taxes, ect.. FYI my GT is quicker in both, smooth riding on the road, handles better than I will ever need it too and my GT looks a hell of alot better IMO and my opinion is the only one that counts to me. I am sure I can get an AMEN from the congeration. The V6 Camaro will probably be close to 4000lb or more like the Challenger, maybe.....maybe pull a high 5/ low 6 sec 0-60, gas mileage might be 1-2 mpg better, looks are a love it or hate it affair (it doesn't move me in the least in current form...sorry), not to mention the payment, insurance, ect...A V8 version will be rare as hell on the street because of the high insurance and insane markup and I honestly don't believe many people will have the credit ratings to score the financing needed to get one. Those who can will probably go with a Vette instead anyway. It would be the better investment.
I might have 6000miles on my GT by the time the Camaro hits the street so my car will still be new, hell of alot sexier, cheaper to insure, no monthly payment, and a relatively cheap aftermarket to bolt on more power if I see the need. All of this assuming GM even builds the car since they are drowning in a sea of red ink that is getting deeper by the minute and will continue to do so as long as Wagner and Lutz are at the wheel. I guess a spanking is just a matter of prespective. On a positive point more musclecars from the Big Three brings out the best in all of them regardless of which make and model someone prefers.