You pointed that out the other day-underated. A few more goodies,a tune and that is some great power for the money.AzSnake said:Besides guys we are seeing 280+RWHP dynos on stock M5 GT’s. That would indicate hp levels of roughly 330fwhp. So Ford underrated these cars and we know it’s as simple as a tune to get these cars at or very close to 300 RWHP without doing anything else.
nortcheez said:Again my point is why wait, why doesn't ford give us all the options like the other major manufacturers.
watch said:Ford spent time and money to get it right. GM is to cheap or lazy to develope a ohc engine for chevy. ( except the ZR1 with a $60000 price tag ) Most of the engine lineup is 1950's tech.
Gears fix that real quick.watch said:It seemed like you were allways flooring it to have any fun.
Yea sure that’s why the 5.4L Cobra R motor in real world numbers made over 400hp at the crank when GM's top production V8 made similar numbers at 5.7L and now the LS2 had to bump up it's displacement to run 400 with no problems.....at least no problems so far.NVigR8 said:except that the GM pushrod engines have more power and broader torque curves. The modular nature of the engines makes it very easy to upgrade, swap and make big power - but I guess they got it wrong somehow. Sucks that the 50's tech works better
btw - GM has other ohc V8's as well.
well then to be honest, you arent making any sense. this is not the top line mustang, it was never intended as such. from day one it was clearly understood that, further models to follow, such as the shelby, bullitt, boss, etc, will have more or substantially more horsepower. they are selling out the new model very very quickly as it is. It is appealing to lots of people who find 0 to 60 in the lows 5's and quarter mile times in the low to mid 13's more than sufficient. these times are extremely good for 300 horsepower.Plus the most important thing is the car looks great to young and old. the horsepower is the least important issue. there are already people like whipple supplying super chargers for it, as well as a number of other people who are suppling not very expensive mods that are getting the car into the 12's. Im not sure what you complaining about? the svt cobra will be a rocket and before you know it , it will be out. This is no different than the 60's. They certainly didnt bring out the shelby first.nortcheez said:The two negatives are missing my point that Ford came short of perfect when they only gave us 300HP as an option. Money is not an option if you are a true fanatic, given that a restores 69 Mach1 would cost more than a new model so why are we talking prices. I have always driven Ford, always loved the Mustang, and will never drive a GM. My point is that GM is pushing the bigger HP numbers when it comes to bringing back the muscle car. I understand more about performance than you could ever dream so don't bash who you don't know. Assumptions are usually brought about by inadequate individuals looking to improve their own self esteem by basjing others. The forum specificallly states no bashing so settle down folks. Forums are here for discussion and I am only stating that I want to see a better option with more horsepower, available to every dealership.
AzSnake said:Besides guys we are seeing 280+RWHP dynos on stock M5 GT’s. That would indicate hp levels of roughly 330fwhp. So Ford underrated these cars and we know it’s as simple as a tune to get these cars at or very close to 300 RWHP without doing anything else.
drummer said:By the way that 300hp is closer to the wheelslatest dyno reports have shown 273 to 287rwhp. With tune 350 on good octane is RIGHT ON!
Cobra-Master said:The latest issue of 5.0SF dynoed a bone stock GT and the best they could do was 245 RWHP. A tune gave them an extra 25 RWHP I think.
I agree, the later models will increase in HP. Also, Ford typically underrates their engines... probably to save us all with the insurance bill. I know my Cobra was supposedly 390 HP at the crank, but it dynoed 387 HP at the wheels... so that's probably 430 HP at the crank.
I think the key here is modding these engines. The mod motors have always responded well to mods. Once the aftermarket gets their act together, it will get better...
nortcheez said:I am a total fan of the Mustang and am in love with the new body style but why couldn't they come up with more than 300HP. You can buy a Chrysler 300c or a Dodge StationWagon with 340HP. Jaguar even has a lighter 4.4L motor producing 300HP. Ford needs a major option like the all Aluminum Big Block from Chevy in the 60s (the option cost more than the car). I want a muscle car with real muscle. Ford came really close with this version but dropped the ball on the motor.
Scot_94GT said:I find it un-****ing-believeable that people think 300hp is "not enough". Furthermore, it is not only "not enough" power, but it is so far below their expectations that they say Ford "dropped the ball".I have news for you: an 05 GT with its paltry 300hp will make a 340hp Dodge Magnum look like it's standing still.
02LS1 said:I think it's just more or less, wishful thinking. I don't think any of the "not enough" people really thought Ford would make a 350/375/400 whatever HP GT...they were just hoping Ford would.
However, I don't know about you but 300HP (actually more like 320ish) really isn't "enough"...sure the car is plenty quick but now you've got 50-60 year old's being able to buy base 400HP C6's and they'll have no trouble pulling away from your stock 300ishHP Mustang or F-body. So yeah, you can beat the 30-40 year old velocity meets versatility husband with two kids and a Harley but you'd lose to the 60 year old just retired, cashed in my 401k, on my way to play shuffleboard grandpa.
So...IMO, 300HP is just fine (if not a little excessive) for most but for quite a few, they're going to want a little more but that's what the aftermarket is for.
nortcheez said:I am a total fan of the Mustang and am in love with the new body style but why couldn't they come up with more than 300HP. You can buy a Chrysler 300c or a Dodge StationWagon with 340HP. QUOTE]
Yea you must be new around here.. or just don't know much about mustangs.
Fords been doing it all along... less hp.. faster ET times .
That how they market the mustang from day one , and will in the future.
H.p numbers are for Chevy and dodge guys ..
Let's line them up !
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