300HP? Thats It...Whats wrong with Ford

MichMash · Dec 17, 2004

You don't have to bash him for his opinion, and this is not the first time someone has had this complaint.

I agree that in this day and age of increasing horsepower they went too low - you shouldn't have to bolt on and void your warranty to keep up. As already been pointed out, it is all about cost with Ford, and I think we all undertand that they have to save room for the cobra.

That still doesn't change the fact that it is disappointing for some who who want and can afford more out of the box. 300 hp may be plenty for most, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Some want the best mustang possible - not the best mustang $25,000 can buy.

RandyB · Dec 17, 2004

MichMash said:
Some want the best mustang possible - not the best mustang $25,000 can buy.

Like you said, they have the SVT Cobra for those types.

Ford could have easily just carried over the old iron 260 hp 2V for the first couple of years, and then added the aluminum 3V. But instead, they have made the most powerful GT ever, with an all-aluminum 3V, complete with VCT and cool magnesium valve covers(not plastic). They did a great job!

And, by all indications so far, it seems like this engine might be a little under-rated and definitely seems to respond well to minor mods. I look for this engine to swell to around 325 hp eventually, but probably not for a while.

Get over it already, you're not getting 400 hp in the GT!

Tim89LXvert · Dec 17, 2004

nortcheez said:
The two negatives are missing my point that Ford came short of perfect when they only gave us 300HP as an option. Money is not an option if you are a true fanatic, given that a restores 69 Mach1 would cost more than a new model so why are we talking prices.

Riiiiight... do you actually work for a living? That is part of the appeal of the Mustang that it is a $25K that is cool as well. Not all Mach 1's were terrors on the street, they had some fairly lame engine choices (351 2v).

What would be the "perfect" HP level that Ford should have offered at what price?

300HP is a very strong motor for the GT. I have no doubt that within a year or so you will see a '06 Mach 1 or Boss added in the lineup with more power (maybe a 5.4 3V), then you have the SVT coming in '07 or so.

UNVMATT · Dec 17, 2004

Need more power?? Get a Kenne Bell for it!
Or just wait for the cobra..

The new Mustang will have a different engine option offered in the future...Cobra, Mach/boss,

Its only been out for a couple of months..Give em a break!

Besides that..Ford isnt having a problem selling GT's...They are hard to find on a lot!

holler · Dec 17, 2004

nortcheez said:
I am a total fan of the Mustang and am in love with the new body style but why couldn't they come up with more than 300HP. You can buy a Chrysler 300c or a Dodge StationWagon with 340HP. Jaguar even has a lighter 4.4L motor producing 300HP. Ford needs a major option like the all Aluminum Big Block from Chevy in the 60s (the option cost more than the car). I want a muscle car with real muscle. Ford came really close with this version but dropped the ball on the motor.

You do realize Ford owns Jaguar right?

SVTdriver · Dec 17, 2004

Oh man I don't even know how to begin. But how about this. Can anyone figure out how many times this has been debated? Have we reached the billionth page of this same debate in the last 4000 threads about this topic? Maybe a moderator can do a new sticky about the complaint department. Kind of like what we had a while back. Then when someone thinks it should be powered by an engine from $32k (base) car. We can be free to debate it or not. But at least everyone who can't find another example of a complaint thread won't take up more space on the servers.

Cobra-Master · Dec 17, 2004

TomServo92 said:
What kind of dyno? Dynojet? Mustang?

Good question, I wondered that myself. I assume it was a Dynojet because they normally clarify the fact when a Mustang Dyno is used. But, they didn’t specifically state which one…

DJsZincGT · Dec 17, 2004

SVTdriver said:
Oh man I don't even know how to begin. But how about this. Can anyone figure out how many times this has been debated? Have we reached the billionth page of this same debate in the last 4000 threads about this topic? Maybe a moderator can do a new sticky about the complaint department. Kind of like what we had a while back. Then when someone thinks it should be powered by an engine from $32k (base) car. We can be free to debate it or not. But at least everyone who can't find another example of a complaint thread won't take up more space on the servers.

Agreed, this thread is wasted space. Just more of the same bullchit arguing that's been going on for the past 6 months about this new car.

Scot_94GT · Dec 17, 2004

SVTdriver said:
Oh man I don't even know how to begin. But how about this. Can anyone figure out how many times this has been debated? Have we reached the billionth page of this same debate in the last 4000 threads about this topic? Maybe a moderator can do a new sticky about the complaint department. Kind of like what we had a while back. Then when someone thinks it should be powered by an engine from $32k (base) car. We can be free to debate it or not. But at least everyone who can't find another example of a complaint thread won't take up more space on the servers.

Talk about trivial complaining. Taking up too much space on the server? Are they backing up this stuff on 720k 5.25" floppy disks?
Nobody forced you to read the thread. If don't want to debate about it, then...umm....DON'T! It's not that hard...see that little "X" in the upper righthand corner of the window? click that. Problem solved.

Meat496 · Dec 17, 2004

manicmustangman said:
Geez, what a way to introduce yourself to the forums; make a whiney post bashing the very thing the forum is dedicated to. Here, let me break it down for you:

Ford Mustang GT (300HP): Base model MSRP $24,995
Dodge Magnum R/T (340HP): Base model MSRP $30,695
Chrysler 300C (340HP): Base model MSRP $33,720

So if you want to spend an additional $6,000 - $9,000 on an extra 40HP then you go right ahead!

The magnum r/t with its 340 horses only gets to 60 in 6.1 seconds 1/4 mile 14.7@97 mph, 300 ft. skid pad .78 (Stats are from Jan. 05 C&D.)

So like maniacmustangman said if you want to pay more money for less performance go right ahead.

I know this is apples to oranges but you chose to throw the magnum R/T
into the mix.

Im not trying to flame you just wanted to show you that the magnum isnt the performer the advertisments show it to be.

Klay · Dec 17, 2004

MichMash said:
You don't have to bash him for his opinion, and this is not the first time someone has had this complaint.

I agree that in this day and age of increasing horsepower they went too low - you shouldn't have to bolt on and void your warranty to keep up. As already been pointed out, it is all about cost with Ford, and I think we all undertand that they have to save room for the cobra.

That still doesn't change the fact that it is disappointing for some who who want and can afford more out of the box. 300 hp may be plenty for most, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Some want the best mustang possible - not the best mustang $25,000 can buy.

Umm i think you miss the point of the mustang. The mustang is 25k so most can afford it. If it were any more expensive I know i personally couldn't afford nor would thousands of others. If he wants more power from a mustang for more money, then he can wait for the mustang thar fullfills that need, cobra. It's not that he doesn't have a right to an opinion but if you can't back up your opinion with some reasonable logic than it's pretty worthless. Fact is, is that this is the fastest gt made to date so i don't really see the complaint.

Dotanukie · Dec 17, 2004

The mustang is 25k so most can afford it. If it were any more expensive I know i personally couldn't afford nor would thousands of others.

Agreed, I'm in the same boat. Exactly why I'm not waiting for the Cobra to come out, I couldn't afford it anyway. Plus the 300hp that the GT offers more than meets my needs right now. If in the future I find I want more power, then aftermarket here I come.

Meat496 · Dec 17, 2004

Gloveperson said:
I own a 300c (same as the magnum). I like how the worst mag test of the car is used, when it is documented in two different magazines, with two different cars that did low 14's at 101 mph. (Man I hate magazine racing, but I am not taking my 300c to the track..and I don't think anyone else has or will). Funny how 101 MPH is slow here, but when it is with the new 2005 Mustang, it is fast.

Reason why the 300c is so slow (relativly) is because of the gear ratio it has in it. 2.82's, meaning 2nd gear is up to 72 or 76 (can't remember, don't normally beat the car like that) and third is over 120 (from what I remember reading about). On the highway, the car will be nose to nose with a stock 2005 Mustang GT.

But they are not in comparison, just pointing out how they are not slow at all.

For the record I like the 300c. its a very nice car. Love the roof line looks like its choped. gives it an agresive look, and the grill looks tough too, I here there coming out w/ a 425 HP version soon. if I was in the market for a 4 dr car I would more than likely get a 300c.

I used the C&D times cause thats the only mag. I had with the magnums stats in it. I wasnt bashing your car as much as I was defending the mustang.
keep in mind I feel the same way about mustangs as you do about your 300c or the GM guys about their camaros/GTO's.

I was replying to the "ford got it wrong guy"

I also agree with you theese cars are not in the same class( Mustang vs. Magnums/300c) Apples to oranges.

Enjoy your 300c as i will enjoy my mustang...when it finally gets here LOL.

peace.

JonJon · Dec 17, 2004

I love the 300C. MUCH better than last gen.

Dotanukie · Dec 17, 2004

Also, don't forget, the Magnum may have 340 horse, but it's throwing down 390 torque, and on the street torque is king. It's the lame automatic it has and the beat rear end thats holding it back.

There are rumors that Dodge will be putting out an SRT version of the Magnum at some point. Hopefully, they will be smart and offer a 6 speed stick and a better rear end ratio than the 2.82. If that happens, and they bump the power a little more, which isn't a stretch to imagine, then the picture could get quite different. But by then the Cobra will be out....

Dotanukie · Dec 17, 2004

If you get the 2005 Mustang, shoot me a PM (since you probably live five-ten minutes from my house). I would love to see one since I have yet to see a GT, only multiple V6's.

It'll be awhile, but sure, no problem!

Meat496 · Dec 17, 2004

Dotanukie said:
Also, don't forget, the Magnum may have 340 horse, but it's throwing down 390 torque, and on the street torque is king. It's the lame automatic it has and the beat rear end thats holding it back.

Very true torque is king.

Horse power sells cars, Torque wins races. I think Caroll Shelby said that first.

Dotanukie · Dec 17, 2004

Excellent! I hate Fullerton, so I won't be able to go there to even look at one (they also hate me)

Wow, I bought my last two Jeeps there, haven't had any real problems with them. I was planning on getting my GT there to. Mind if I ask what happened to make you hate them?

Meat496 · Dec 17, 2004

Gloveperson said:
I own a Camaro, too

Ohh! thats whats wrong with you LOL. Just kidding!

I love the GM vs. Ford competion. (not trying to start a battle)
nothing better than a friendly rivalry!

BTW bow ties are for little boys!

A good friend of mine has a oldschool IROQ Z28. w/some goodies bolted on!
If its american made and fast I like it.

You lucky &#*@# two fast rear drive V8 beasts! I envy you!
how do you decide which one to drive?

Later

Dotanukie · Dec 17, 2004

Wow, an IROC Z28 is considered old school now? I must be getting old.

I've owned a few products from the general over the years, but I didn't want to admit that on this board.

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