300HP? Thats It...Whats wrong with Ford

Bob Cosby · Dec 20, 2004

Along with the 05 GTO, a Vette will blow the doors off the Mustang too. And?

There is no "competitor" for the Mustang to "take out". Ford doesn't care one bit about a 1999 T/A LS1 that was rated at 305 HP. That may comes as a shock to you, you, you, and you, but it is reality.

Further, the Mustang GT (non-Cobra) has not directly competed with the F-body in HP for many years (the last year they were close was 1992 - and BTW the 5.0 was still rated at 225 that year, not 215). That said, there is no competition this year, there wasn't the last two years, and there won't be for a couple of more years. Would I like to have more power? Sure I would - but that's life.

Whine about it all you want, but in the end, you'll just look like a whiner - a troll whiner at that.

nortcheez · Dec 20, 2004

Bob Cosby said:
Along with the 05 GTO, a Vette will blow the doors off the Mustang too. And?

There is no "competitor" for the Mustang to "take out". Ford doesn't care one bit about a 1999 T/A LS1 that was rated at 305 HP. That may comes as a shock to you, you, you, and you, but it is reality.

Further, the Mustang GT (non-Cobra) has not directly competed with the F-body in HP for many years (the last year they were close was 1992 - and BTW the 5.0 was still rated at 225 that year, not 215). That said, there is no competition this year, there wasn't the last two years, and there won't be for a couple of more years. Would I like to have more power? Sure I would - but that's life.

Whine about it all you want, but in the end, you'll just look like a whiner - a troll whiner at that.

Exactly I am a whiner for asking FORD to give me more options...if I have the money and want to pay then so be it. I don't want to wait for special editions like the Cobra or SVT. What do you mean by they did not directly compete...GM and Ford have been competing since their introduction, thats what give us a better car every year...it just seems like GM always comes out on top with the HP.

Bob Cosby · Dec 20, 2004

Let me try to be a bit more clear.

If you don't like the HP in the car, then don't buy it. Go out and buy a car that has the HP that you like. I suggest spending the extra coin for a GTO, and if that doesn't get your rocks off, a Vette. Those are about the only other choices you have. Complaining about it here won't get you there. Really.

It is likely that Ford will continue what it has been doing in the recent past...ie....offer "special editions" for those that want more power, and perhaps increase HP incrementally every year or two or three or whatever.

As for competing...my point was that when comparing the Mustang GT to the GM F-body, the Mustang GT's engine has not had comparible HP for many years - certainly this has been the case since the introduction of the LT1 in 1993. Do I like it? Not really - but that's the way it is. We can't change history, and there is nothing to compare it to today, so I fail to see the point.

If I may....I'd like to make a prediction: When the 07 or 08 Camaro (or Z28 or whatever it will be called) debuts, it will have more HP than the Mustang GT, less than the Cobra, and probably about the same as any "special edition" Mustang that is out at the time (Mach, Boss, whatever).

Cobra-Master · Dec 20, 2004

nortcheez said:
Exactly I am a whiner for asking FORD to give me more options...if I have the money and want to pay then so be it. I don't want to wait for special editions like the Cobra or SVT. What do you mean by they did not directly compete...GM and Ford have been competing since their introduction, thats what give us a better car every year...it just seems like GM always comes out on top with the HP.

If you don't like the stock HP rating, then use mods to bump up the HP. That's why the aftermarket exists and thrives so well, plus it's fun to do. That's all part of the Mustang experience.

Ford keeps the Mustangs reasonably priced with moderate HP because they know people are going to buy them and hop them up, that's the best part!

svtguy · Dec 20, 2004

nortcheez said:
I am a total fan of the Mustang and am in love with the new body style but why couldn't they come up with more than 300HP. You can buy a Chrysler 300c or a Dodge StationWagon with 340HP. Jaguar even has a lighter 4.4L motor producing 300HP. Ford needs a major option like the all Aluminum Big Block from Chevy in the 60s (the option cost more than the car). I want a muscle car with real muscle. Ford came really close with this version but dropped the ball on the motor.

They dropped the ball on right on your head, the HEMI is an OK motor if it was put in a car that didn't weigh 4000lbs. But the 300C's are nothing to get a woody over in terms of performance, as they are considerably slower than a GT with it's "modest" 300hp.

TomServo92 · Dec 20, 2004

svtguy said:
They dropped the ball on right on your head, the HEMI is an OK motor if it was put in a car that didn't weigh 4000lbs. But the 300C's are nothing to get a woody over in terms of performance, as they are considerably slower than a GT with it's "modest" 300hp.

You don't get it, svtguy! He doesn't care that the Hemi is in a big heavy SOB of a car and that it's actually slower than the Mustang. It's got 340HP baby!

svtguy · Dec 20, 2004

TomServo92 said:
You don't get it, svtguy! He doesn't care that the Hemi is in a big heavy SOB of a car and that it's actually slower than the Mustang. It's got 340HP baby!

Personally, I'm pretty impressed if this new GT can do mid 13's stock & can put down 300rwhp with just a tune/Catback. I could even see myself buying one over a Cobra. Add some gears & thats more than enough power to spank most cars on the road. It could stand to lose some weight though, but what new car couldn't these days.

thehemi · Dec 20, 2004

svtguy said:
It could stand to lose some weight though, but what new car couldn't these days.

Yeah, the Mustang is not the only porker. That's true for everyone.
Just the nature of the industry these days. Not much can be done.

As for the Mustang's 300-hp, I think what they're doing is awesome.
They're goal is a solid, reliable car that can also remain a good value.
The Mustang does not sell because it's massively overpowered. The
car sells because they are affordable and provide adequate power for
most people. And check out its aftermarket; possibilities are endless.

TomServo92 · Dec 20, 2004

thehemi said:
Yeah, the Mustang is not the only porker. That's true for everyone.
Just the nature of the industry these days. Not much can be done.

As for the Mustang's 300-hp, I think what they're doing is awesome.
They're goal is a solid, reliable car that can also remain a good value.
The Mustang does not sell because it's massively overpowered. The
car sells because they are affordable and provide adequate power for
most people. And check out its aftermarket; possibilities are endless.

I think that's just about the best explanation I've heard.

mystein · Dec 20, 2004

thehemi said:
...The Mustang does not sell because it's massively overpowered. The car sells because they are affordable and provide adequate power for most people. And check out its aftermarket; possibilities are endless.

What he said!

watch · Dec 20, 2004

2005 camaro 000 HP 2005 mustang 300 HP+

2005 corvette 400 HP 2005 ford gt 500 HP

Pick a car you can afford and end this post.

Klay · Dec 20, 2004

oh ok cobraguy, thanks for telling me your reasoning. I can't really understand why people need more than 300 hp out of a base car.
I understand the option thing but is it even feaseable to do it now a days?
I mean i don't see why it's so hard to wait for a cobra or special edition mustang. If you can't wait there is the aftermarket to fullfill your need for speed heh. So there are options out there they are just different then it used to be.

sawman70 · Dec 20, 2004

nortcheez said:
Listen,

I like Ford Mustangs, they are a good looking car, but that can't explain why a 1999 Z28 or a 99 trans am came with 305 HP base. Then with a Ram air package 327HP. "13.5 in the 1/4"

I might mention that you could buy a base Z28 for 20K from 1999 till 2003. And if my memory serves me right, The mustangs in them years were complete "red rider sleds" only putting out 240-260hp for the past 10 years". I don't care how much you Drop on aftermarket goodies at a speed shop,you void your warranty, thats not the point here.

Ford is way behind in HP, and from the looks, it always will be unless they change there outlook on a Production level. The new GTO will blow the trunk off a GT mustang. What am I saying, a 1999 Trans AM- RamAIR will smoke the new Mustang. We can only hope that ford Steps up, and takes GM out. Till then we will all be Aftermarket Hookers trying to make our Mustangs break a 14 Second run in the 1/4.

Latter

This is all wrong.

sawman70 · Dec 20, 2004

Fastest Mustang GT to Date.

1/2 second faster and the same price as my 99.

This argument is ludicris.

To all you 05 GT owners, nice car.

stang2GTO · Dec 21, 2004

i drive a 2002 mustang GT thought of buying a 05 but when i heard only 300hp and that SVT is gonna be gone for a couple of years well thats when i went to the GM dealers to talk about signing my deal to go destroy some stangs in my 05 Goat.

Bob Cosby · Dec 21, 2004

stang2GTO said:
i drive a 2002 mustang GT thought of buying a 05 but when i heard only 300hp and that SVT is gonna be gone for a couple of years well thats when i went to the GM dealers to talk about signing my deal to go destroy some stangs in my 05 Goat.

Cool. When do you take delivery of your 2005 GTO? What color did you order? What did it cost you? I'm sure you have it ordered by now, right?

Why did you get a 2002 GT when you could have had a much faster 2002 LS1 F-body?

Why did you even bother registering on this site - just to stir up trouble and talk about a car that not only doesn't exist at dealers yet, but that you don't yet have? Know what I mean, Vern?

sawman70 · Dec 21, 2004

stang2GTO said:
i drive a 2002 mustang GT thought of buying a 05 but when i heard only 300hp and that SVT is gonna be gone for a couple of years well thats when i went to the GM dealers to talk about signing my deal to go destroy some stangs in my 05 Goat.

Thanks for adding to the pile of stupidity here.

Your GTO was what $8,000 more than a GT Mustang. You could have bought a slew of cars to beat up on the $25,000 Mustang. You chose the cheapest.

Not that I do not like GTO's but it is not a pony car and should not be compared to one. Compare your GTO to other $32,000 cars (Like the 04 Cobra which is still hiding on some lots) and you'll find your GTO is quite slow.

I also believe you will find that some of these guys will keep up with you as the two cars (yours and the 05 GT) are close in comparison.

Wonderful place the internet, a place where every sad guy with low self esteem can beat up on another for absolutely no reason behind the safety of a computer desk.

GTO, nice car good motor, no style.
05 Mustang GT, nice car good motor, so much style it drips to the ground.

SAYNOTORICE · Dec 21, 2004

Meat496 · Dec 21, 2004

stang2GTO said:
i drive a 2002 mustang GT thought of buying a 05 but when i heard only 300hp and that SVT is gonna be gone for a couple of years well thats when i went to the GM dealers to talk about signing my deal to go destroy some stangs in my 05 Goat.

TROLL!

Cobra-Master · Dec 21, 2004

stang2GTO said:
i drive a 2002 mustang GT thought of buying a 05 but when i heard only 300hp and that SVT is gonna be gone for a couple of years well thats when i went to the GM dealers to talk about signing my deal to go destroy some stangs in my 05 Goat.

Wow, a whopping 3 posts from this nerd... but he's owned a stang for 3 years... BS I say.

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