351w swap 94 gt

well said grady.

revhead347 said:

Not exactly. The Windsor will be able to handle more power. It will also make the power at a lower rpm. Bore size and head flow are virtually identical on a 302 and a windsor, which are the determining factors on power. The Windsor offers more streetable power due to the rev range for most applications.

Kurt

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Come On Man

Seems like ya always wanna split hairs

I don't read that the OP wants to build exotic stuff

I Mean ... Most folk who come here are about getting the most
power from the smallest amount of bucks they got to spend

Bolt on hot rod parts that are suitable to each motor

Most peeps are gonna go for the additional 50 cubes

Nothing fancy ... Just 1 rwhp for each cube with either choice

50 more is 50 more

Grady

But the thing is that a 351 swap is not a direct swap. It requires additional parts and what it comes down to is the cost factor VS what power will be gained with a 351 with 302 parts on it really worth it? First of all research on what it takes to do a 351 swap, figure out what the cost factor will be and decide if you want to go ahead with this. A 351 swap is not as simple as pulling out a 302 and dropping in a 351

Suprdave, I'm not sure a TFS stage 2 cam will work with stock E7 heads. The lift might make for piston to valve clearance issues. Do you already have the 351?

Venom351R said:

But the thing is that a 351 swap is not a direct swap. It requires additional parts and what it comes down to is the cost factor VS what power will be gained with a 351 with 302 parts on it really worth it? First of all research on what it takes to do a 351 swap, figure out what the cost factor will be and decide if you want to go ahead with this. A 351 swap is not as simple as pulling out a 302 and dropping in a 351

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I don't understand why you keep going back to this. The OP has already said he is planning on upgrading the heads as funds allow.

The down side has already been pointed out ... that it will not realize the true potential of the motor with stock heads.

The up side is that you get 49 extra cubes and a much stronger block, so you have a much better starting point. And in the meantime, even with the stock heads, the difference in torque will be noticeable, especially on the lower end of the RPM range.

I have said more than a few times that if I were doing it again, I would do it this way ... getting the 351 in pretty much as it is with the required swap items (intake/distributor/oil pan/exhaust headers/...) and then after that is installed and back on the road, planning and saving for the upgrades. Doing it that way minimizes the down time and also helps spread out the costs. And you can drive it while you are saving up for the upgrades.

Yes ... The Windsor is not just a drop in swap

But ... I'd have to believe anyone thinking about this option would know it

I mean ... It has been documented on this site :Word:
and
All the other sites over and over
so
The info is easily found

Another thing to think about using the Windsor is .........

You can go beyond the 1 rwhp per ci with a less radical combo than
the smaller 5.0 block due to the larger platform

Or in other words ...
The bumpstick doesn't have to be as rad on the larger motor

Then again ... Don't deal with the swap stuff required by the 351

Go for the additional 50 cubes with a 5.0 stroked to 347

As always ... Its all about application

Grady

The reason I keep saying it is bc there is a difference between saying your going to do it and actually have it happen. Not that this is one but I've seen my fair share of pipe dream threads and never finished projects. A small shot of No2 would make up for the extra 50 cubes as compared to the time and money invested into a 351 swap that was never finished with the correct parts. Once again just saying

Venom351R said:

The reason I keep saying it is bc there is a difference between saying your going to do it and actually have it happen. Not that this is one but I've seen my fair share of pipe dream threads and never finished projects. A small shot of No2 would make up for the extra 50 cubes as compared to the time and money invested into a 351 swap that was never finished with the correct parts. Once again just saying

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I understand and agree ... talk is cheap. It takes perserverence to actually make it happen.

All I am saying is that doing it incrementally, with the ability to drive it in between, makes it much more doable. Doing mine the "right way" ended up taking over 2 years and costing over 10 grand. Had I done it the other way, I would have been able to drive it most of the 3 years, and the cost would have been spread out, making it much more bearable.

+1 on going ahead and getting the motor converted and installed. I see so many projects derailed by the expenses involved in what most call "doing it right". Especially in our economy, many folks can't afford to plop down 10 grand on a motor. Success is the greatest driving force in this hobby. A running, stockish 351w sitting in the engine bay of your Mustang is absolutely the definition of success, and it will stimulate further successes down the line.

I know from experience that if a project beats you up too badly, not only will it not get done, but it can have a severe impact on your love for this hobby as a whole. Also, while you're doing all these mini steps toward your ultimate goal, you'll learn tons along the way. So go for it!