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5.0 injection problem

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I have 1992 5.0 that runs lean on #3 cyl only.
Im running a Dart Brodex block with AFR heads, forged crank, and pistons topped of with a GT 40 intake and stroked to 331 ci.
The #3 cyl has been running lean and im getting detonation under load. Timeing is set @ 10 degrees initial. I have new 30lb injectors in it and a 255lb/hr pump. running stock fuel rail. The computer has a diablosport chip in it.
HPP racing in Lewisville TX did the dyno on it trying to fix the detonation and couldnt fix it. They took a timing out at the computor and tried some other stuff but in the end they just gave up and said they couldnt fix it. I had a guy test the injector harness for resistance problems and it came back good. Anyone have any ideas or simular problems?
 
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could it be a spark plug issue? If you have a misfire or incomplete combustion it could give a lean reading. Maybe a bad #3 injector? you could move the #3 injector to say, #1 and see if you now have a lean condition on #1 instead of #3
 

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The advice is free - the tools to do the job may be quite expensive...

If you have no electrical talent and are not good at using a Digital Multimeter, this tech note is a waste of your time.

1.) Buy, beg, borrow or rent an infrared temp tool to read the heat generated by the combustion process. You are going to use it to measure the exhaust header tube temperatures.


$130 at Extech 42515 Infrared Thermometer with Type K Input - instrumart.com

You need to see if the cause is due to lean mixture or a hot spot in the combustion chamber like a carbon deposit, a sharp edge on the combustion chamber or an exhaust valve. A lean mixture will show as a significant difference between adjacent cylinder’s exhaust header when the engine is running under load. No significant difference between adjacent cylinders exhaust header means that you have a hot spot in the combustion chamber. Make sure you take your measurements the same distance from the cylinder head exhaust header flange. That will reduce any cooling effect from measuring too far away from the heat source.

2.) Significant difference between adjacent cylinders as detected by the infrared temp tool means that either the injector, the power feed to it or the computer provided ground is not functioning as it should.
Swap the injector with one from another cylinder that isn’t showing abnormal temp readings. Run the engine under load and recheck the exhaust header temp readings. If the problem follows the injector, it is defective. If the problem remains with the same cylinder, it is a hot spot in the cylinder.

Some basics about the computer: Remember that the computer does not supply power for any actuator or relay. It provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

You will need access to an oscilloscope to measure the pulse voltage and waveform shape on the injector as the engine is running. Connect the oscilloscope probe to the injector return side wire. The injector will have a red wire that supplied constant voltage to the injector and a brown/red return side wire that connects to pin 12 on the computer. Start the engine and observe the difference in pulse between #3 cylinder and #2 (white wire, computer pin 59) or #4 (brown/lt blue wire, computer pin 13). The pulses should look the same. If they don’t, go the next step and check the injector wiring.

No oscilloscope, no idea of where to find someone who has one and is willing to help. You will need a good DMM (not a $20 from elcheapo supply) with good batteries in it. With the engine running , measure the red wire voltage on #3 injector. It should be the same as the voltage on #2 or #4 injector. If it isn’t the engine fuel injector harness is defective. With the engine off, connect Set the DMM to the ohms range and connect one probe to the brown/red wire on the injector connector and the other to pin 12 on the computer wiring harness. Note your measurement results. Move the probes to #2 cylinder injector connector white wire and computer wiring harness pin 59. The two readings should be the same within 3%.

4.) Using oscilloscope, the pulse on #3 injector looks bad when compared to the pulse on #2 or #4 injector and the voltage and wiring resistance tests are good. Swap the computer.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds


See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Wiring & Engine Info Everyone should bookmark this site.
Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif
Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
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Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
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HVAC vacuum diagram
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/Mustang_AC_heat_vacuum_controls.gif
TFI module differences & pinout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/TFI_5.0_comparison.gif
Fuse box layout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/MustangFuseBox.gif
 
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I had this problem on the eng block before this one. On my way home from HPP after they worked on it the eng blew loosing the block and a head. I bought the new block and new heads new injectors new pistons to replace two I lost and new rod. I too thought it was an injector but if I swap them around it's the same. I have had 2 different heads on it. The engine was built by Hans fuestel racing engines. He's a top notch engine builder with years of experience. We are screening our heads over this one.
 
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I'll try to find a scope and do the test. I'll let you know
 
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