lickem
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couldnt agree more, a dedicated fox mag would be sweet, but it will take either you, me or someone like us to come out with it as the corporate homo's wont ever do it
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riceslayer302
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lickem
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so i guess the squeaky wheel does get the grease...
i was just in walmart and something got me to thinkin about this thread so i went to the magazine section and no kidding what do i see a magazine titled 1979-1993 MUSTANG PERFORMANCE MAGAZINE, it says its your fox body power source and guess who its printed by MUSCLE MUSTANGS & FAST FORDS
ill scan the cover and post it on here in just a few.
i havnt had a chance to even look at it, i just saw it and snagged it.
i was just in walmart and something got me to thinkin about this thread so i went to the magazine section and no kidding what do i see a magazine titled 1979-1993 MUSTANG PERFORMANCE MAGAZINE, it says its your fox body power source and guess who its printed by MUSCLE MUSTANGS & FAST FORDS
ill scan the cover and post it on here in just a few.
i havnt had a chance to even look at it, i just saw it and snagged it.
riceslayer302
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its the same one we all had... unfortunately they only put it out as a feeler magazine and they said they dont plan on releasing anymore issues. keep posting on their forum and hopefully we'll make enough waves...
Sweet-if its the same one they put out in October, its supposed to be pulled next week- if its a new one, I'll find out tomorrow, when I swing by the store by the house- did it have the subscription cards that I usually throw out? Might actually use one!
lickem
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o that sucks guess im behind the power curve on that one, i didnt even look at the date, its fall 08 and you are right its suposed to be pulled next week 
theres a pretty good article in there about a t-56 swap into a fox
theres a pretty good article in there about a t-56 swap into a fox
riceslayer302
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o that sucks guess im behind the power curve on that one, i didnt even look at the date, its fall 08 and you are right its suposed to be pulled next week
theres a pretty good article in there about a t-56 swap into a fox
yeah i enjoyed it much more than any magazine they've put out in the past 6 months. the nitrous article was pretty cool.
lickem
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yea it is, i havnt had a chance to read that whole article yet but its definately pretty sweet.
when i was in the marines my roommate had a 91 lx hatch and we put a small nitrous kit on it, it was pretty fun cause it was very unassuming when you looked at the car. the only thing that really sucked is they didnt have the electric valve back then so someone had to always crawl in the back to turn the bottle on when we wanted to play with the vette's at red lights
when i was in the marines my roommate had a 91 lx hatch and we put a small nitrous kit on it, it was pretty fun cause it was very unassuming when you looked at the car. the only thing that really sucked is they didnt have the electric valve back then so someone had to always crawl in the back to turn the bottle on when we wanted to play with the vette's at red lights
Too lazy to read the whole thread, but for those of you complaining about not enough Fox stuff in the magazines....exactly how many times do they need to do a throttle body, H/C/I or an exhaust install before its been done enough? There aren't nearly enough new parts being made for the Fox now a days to justify the ink. The S197 and SN95's are where 90% of the new parts are and that's who they're going to cater too.
You wanna see more fox articles, start buying back issues from the mid/late '90's and early '00's when the majority of the aftermarket was still catering to them..
Now....feature cars, I'm down with....but from what I've seen the numbers still seem pretty Even Steven between all of the cars from the Fox up to the S197 years.
You wanna see more fox articles, start buying back issues from the mid/late '90's and early '00's when the majority of the aftermarket was still catering to them..
Now....feature cars, I'm down with....but from what I've seen the numbers still seem pretty Even Steven between all of the cars from the Fox up to the S197 years.
Too lazy to read the whole thread, but for those of you complaining about not enough Fox stuff in the magazines....exactly how many times do they need to do a throttle body, H/C/I or an exhaust install before its been done enough? There aren't nearly enough new parts being made for the Fox now a days to justify the ink. The S197 and SN95's are where 90% of the new parts are and that's who they're going to cater too.
You wanna see more fox articles, start buying back issues from the mid/late '90's and early '00's when the majority of the aftermarket was still catering to them..
Now....feature cars, I'm down with....but from what I've seen the numbers still seem pretty Even Steven between all of the cars from the Fox up to the S197 years.
What those of us that have foxes, only about 2 and a half million of us, are complaining about is that they used our $ to make magazines sell, and now even the ones that say "5.0" on the cover, have no 5.0 info. We don't want, or need, to know the best blower to make our brand new s197 fly, it couldn't be less relavent. We don't have one, we don't wish we did..Its way too late to bother us with the standard H/C/I things in all the magazines we already own from the 90's (I still have mine), everyone builds whole motors now. Be nice to know the best way to change your carpet without tearing up the dash, replace your heater core, adjust your fender spacing, switch out a hatch, or weld in new floorboards, things we have to do, as we try to keep our foxes up, some 25 years later. Check out how many are viewing, both here and the Corral, any time of day, any day of the year, we are the majority here, and everywhere else, 2 or 3 times to 1, any other Mustang group. The internet seems to have displaced publications as a useful info source. Seems backwards to a lot of us owners.
lickem
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in all due respect gearbanger i think you would have realized the gist of where we were all goin with this if you would have read the entire thread instead of just jumping to the end of it and stating you were too lazy to read it.
everyone completely understands fox bodys are old news in a marketing standpoint compared to the 197 and everone understands how the marketing works and "new" sells. the majority of us fox owners dont own these cars because of the "pa-zazz" factor and we arent trying to impress people with 100 horsepower body kits, we are real enthusiasts that have owned our cars for quite sometime and the frustration that started this thread is that it would be nice to have a dedicated mag geared towards it.
some of us have cars that we have probably touched almost every single bolt on the car at one time or another, maybe this is their third engine build, maybe its their first who knows but it sucks that their are still so many fox body enthusiasts but for some reason now we are the forgotten.
please dont take this the wrong way and say i dont think there are any real enthusiasts that own newer mustangs because thats completely the opposite of where im going with this. im just pointing out that there are other mustangs besides the 197 that the magizines seem to all be geared towards.
everyone completely understands fox bodys are old news in a marketing standpoint compared to the 197 and everone understands how the marketing works and "new" sells. the majority of us fox owners dont own these cars because of the "pa-zazz" factor and we arent trying to impress people with 100 horsepower body kits, we are real enthusiasts that have owned our cars for quite sometime and the frustration that started this thread is that it would be nice to have a dedicated mag geared towards it.
some of us have cars that we have probably touched almost every single bolt on the car at one time or another, maybe this is their third engine build, maybe its their first who knows but it sucks that their are still so many fox body enthusiasts but for some reason now we are the forgotten.
please dont take this the wrong way and say i dont think there are any real enthusiasts that own newer mustangs because thats completely the opposite of where im going with this. im just pointing out that there are other mustangs besides the 197 that the magizines seem to all be geared towards.
I currently own 3 fox body mustangs. I used to be a big camaro fan when I was in the Army, but since getting out and returning to the world of muscle cars I choose fox body mustangs, so I have not been around the "same old information" that everyone says has been done over and over. The last car I built before the one I am working now was a 67 camaro there was computer controller anything, no fuel injection so alot of that is good information even if it is restated. All the magazines are more just advertisements than anything else there have hardly been any type of helpful technical articles in any of them unless you own a freaking fully outfitted mechanic shop.
riceslayer302
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all the features in the trial magazine were older, i remember reading at least 2 of them before, but it still held my attention.
strtrcr50
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Too lazy to read the whole thread, but for those of you complaining about not enough Fox stuff in the magazines....exactly how many times do they need to do a throttle body, H/C/I or an exhaust install before its been done enough? Well, hopefully we get at least a quarterly magazine. So I'd say 4 times a year. Also, as mentioned, there is more to it that just doing bolt ons at this point. There aren't nearly enough new parts being made for the Fox now a days to justify the ink. I disagree. Look at latemodelrestoration, summit, etc. The S197 and SN95's are where 90% of the new parts are and that's who they're going to cater too. That's fine. That's why I've let all my subscriptions run out and no longer buy any of the magazines.
You wanna see more fox articles, start buying back issues from the mid/late '90's and early '00's when the majority of the aftermarket was still catering to them..
Now....feature cars, I'm down with....but from what I've seen the numbers still seem pretty Even Steven between all of the cars from the Fox up to the S197 years. Even Steven? People actually use that phrase? J/K. Seriously though, it could be a 50/50 split and I still wouldn't care. I don't paticularly like the cars, don't see myself ever buying one or modifying it.
They had enough content to fill their fall edition of the magazine, I found one on a CVS shelf and decided to join MM&FF forums and let them know if they produced this on a quarterly basis, I would subscribe. I also posted at a few forums to see if anyone felt the same. What a shock, other people do. FWIW, I would be happy if I could get this magazine like it was currently done. Some of the articles can be out of the M&FF regular magazine. Seeing as how I no longer buy it, they will be new to me. But I won't have to dig through the "WE TEST THE 30TH CATBACK,COLD AIR INTAKE, AND SHIFTER SETUP FOR THE S197" to get to it.
riceslayer302
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Oh man, how soon we forget. That's pretty much all I remember from the 5.0&SF or MM&FF during the mid/late'90's and early 00's when the Fox’s were popular. Even now the most recent issue they're doing stock rebuilds for the 5.0L and testing GT40X heads and Typhoon intake that have already been on the market for years. I mean....how many times has that stuff been covered now just to appease the few who refuse to accept the reality that its just a rehash of the same old stuff?
Face it, they've pretty much run out of good performance oriented tech stuff for the 5.0L market. How many different versions of a Flowmaster muffler do you need to dyno test before people get tired of it and recognize it for the "filler" it is? What they should be doing at this point is restoration articles, since most foxes are in worse need of TLC rather than the same hop up stuff. Which I've actually noticed a lot more of lately.
I also don't think its a matter of downplaying the Fox body itself, or not catering to them anymore, but in the old days there 5.0L was the main bread winner and the aftermarket hadn't really yet opened up for the 4.6L, so the tech stuff was plentiful. Now that the aftermarket caters more to the new stuff, there's really only so much you can do to keep the old guys happy. Its not like the Fox has been forgotten in all this, its that the need to recognized the SN95/New Edge (both pushrod and modular) as well the S197 deserves just as much, if not more recognition since that's where the money is to be made now?
Oh man, how soon we forget. That's pretty much all I remember from the 5.0&SF or MM&FF during the mid/late'90's and early 00's when the Fox’s were popular. Even now the most recent issue they're doing stock rebuilds for the 5.0L and testing GT40X heads and Typhoon intake that have already been on the market for years. I mean....how many times has that stuff been covered now just to appease the few who refuse to accept the reality that its just a rehash of the same old stuff?
Face it, they've pretty much run out of good performance oriented tech stuff for the 5.0L market. How many different versions of a Flowmaster muffler do you need to dyno test before people get tired of it and recognize it for the "filler" it is? What they should be doing at this point is restoration articles, since most foxes are in worse need of TLC rather than the same hop up stuff. Which I've actually noticed a lot more of lately.
I also don't think its a matter of downplaying the Fox body itself, or not catering to them anymore, but in the old days there 5.0L was the main bread winner and the aftermarket hadn't really yet opened up for the 4.6L, so the tech stuff was plentiful. Now that the aftermarket caters more to the new stuff, there's really only so much you can do to keep the old guys happy. Its not like the Fox has been forgotten in all this, its that the need to recognized the SN95/New Edge (both pushrod and modular) as well the S197 deserves just as much, if not more recognition since that's where the money is to be made now?
The first thing that jumps out is the fact that you don't have a 5.0. You may say you did, at one time, but you don't now. You don't know, then, either how many of us owners there are driving, or racing, though either is readily apparent at any strip, or just going to the gas station to fill the 4.6 you do have. You also must not be aware of how many of us that want to keep doing that. We would just like for the companies that made any adjustments to your 4.6 car possible, to pay some attention to those of us that made your car even happen, given that Ford wanted all of us to be driving a Probe, and it was us Fox buyers and owners, and our habit(that hasn't waned in any way, shape, or form) of spending LOTS of money for the last 20 years on this hobby, of which we are still, and will continue to be, a mainstay. Again, feel free, before you dismiss our compliant, to look at any time of day, or year, at how many of all the groups are viewing. Yet again, there are more Fox guys than any group. 2 and 3 times as many. So we should read all about the minority that they want us to? Thats why MM/FF or Supposedly 5.0 has a continuingly shrinking market. Most of us don't care for their irrelavent babblings, they don't apply. Previous posts indicate we're not interested in the rehash of info we've had for 15 years. That does not mean we're out of things our 2.5 million cars need at 20+ years old, and even a quarterly publication to tell us about them would be nice. Muscle Car Review has great stuff, and stated in 1989 that people would be restoring Foxs' one day. I still have the issue.But they concentrate on the older iron. We're kinda in the middle, perhaps an untapped market. We could get 5.0 Resto, Year One, Mustangs Unlimited to put up articles on restomod stuff, they all have mule cars. Anybody wanna start a magazine with me? Uh oh, here comes Suzy...I'm gonna get in trouble for that idea...
The first thing that jumps out is the fact that you don't have a 5.0. You may say you did, at one time, but you don't now. You don't know, then, either how many of us owners there are driving, or racing, though either is readily apparent at any strip, or just going to the gas station to fill the 4.6 you do have. You also must not be aware of how many of us that want to keep doing that. We would just like for the companies that made any adjustments to your 4.6 car possible, to pay some attention to those of us that made your car even happen, given that Ford wanted all of us to be driving a Probe, and it was us Fox buyers and owners, and our habit(that hasn't waned in any way, shape, or form) of spending LOTS of money for the last 20 years on this hobby, of which we are still, and will continue to be, a mainstay. Again, feel free, before you dismiss our compliant, to look at any time of day, or year, at how many of all the groups are viewing. Yet again, there are more Fox guys than any group. 2 and 3 times as many. So we should read all about the minority that they want us to? Thats why MM/FF or Supposedly 5.0 has a continuingly shrinking market. Most of us don't care for their irrelavent babblings, they don't apply. Previous posts indicate we're not interested in the rehash of info we've had for 15 years. That does not mean we're out of things our 2.5 million cars need at 20+ years old, and even a quarterly publication to tell us about them would be nice. Muscle Car Review has great stuff, and stated in 1989 that people would be restoring Foxs' one day. I still have the issue.But they concentrate on the older iron. We're kinda in the middle, perhaps an untapped market. We could get 5.0 Resto, Year One, Mustangs Unlimited to put up articles on restomod stuff, they all have mule cars. Anybody wanna start a magazine with me? Uh oh, here comes Suzy...I'm gonna get in trouble for that idea...
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