89 GT Won't Start.. HELP

Black Thunder

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Ok, I'm at a loss. My stepson's 89 GT won't start. It was sitting for a few months while he was in Iraq. I started it and moved it every week or so, but now it won't start. Sometimes it will start for a brief moment but then die.

If I spray starter fluid in the throttle body, it will start for a second. I have checked fuel pressure at the fuel rail and it's good. 40PSI. I replaced the fuel injectors since it had run out of gas at one point. I changed the plugs while I was at it. The battery is also new. All hoses seem to be connected and the motor turns, but it just won't start.

Any suggestions of what to check next?
 
Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

Revised 29-Jun-2007 to update TPS testing procedure for 94-95 Mustangs

All text applies to all models unless stated otherwise.

Note: 94-95 specific changes are in red

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park and set the parking brake. Remove the coil wire from distributor & and hold it 3/8” away from the engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) Coil
C.) TFI module
D.) PIP sensor in distributor. The PIP sensor supplies the timing pulse to trigger the TFI and injectors. See paragraph 5A - a noid light will tell if the pip is working by flashing when the engine is cranking.
E.) No ECC or computer power - ECC or computer relay failure
86-93 models only: ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
94-95 models only: EEC or PCM power relay in the constant control relay module. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
F.) No ECC or computer power - fuse or fuse link failure
86-93 models only: Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp EEC fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire. No 12 volts, blown fuse link or faulty ignition switch. Remove the plastic from around the ignition switch and look for 12 volts on the red/green wire with the switch in the Run position. No 12 volts and the ignition switch is faulty. If 12 volts is present in the Run position, then the fuse link is blown.
94-95 models only: Check inside fuse panel for fuse #18 blown – 20 amp fuse
H.) Computer
J.) Engine fires briefly, but dies immediately when the key is released to the Run position. Crank the engine & when it fires off, pull the small push on connector (red wire) off the starter relay (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Hold the switch in the crank position: if it continues to run there is a problem with either the ignition switch or TFI module. Check for 12 volts at the red/green wire on the coil with the switch in the Run position. Good 12 volts, then replace the TFI.

See the following links for wiring diagrams...

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 86 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167158.gif
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 87 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8016715e.gif
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 88 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167162.gif

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 89-90 cars http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8019595f.gif
Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 91-93 cars
http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80195960.gif

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars

2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.

Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the EEC test connector and jump the connector in the Upper RH corner to ground. The EEC connector is near the wiper motor and LH hood hinge.
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If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In a pinch, you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have. If you have any doubts about having sufficient fuel flow/pressure, rent a fuel pressure test gauge from the auto parts store. That will tell you for sure if you have adequate fuel pressure.


4.) No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) 86-90 models only: Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay.
91-93 models only Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
The fuse links for all model years 86-93 live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp fuel pump fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the Dark green/yellow wire on the constant control relay module.
F.) Engine seem to load up on fuel and may have black smoke at the tailpipe. Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove the vacuum line from the regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while the pump is running. If fuel is coming out the vacuum port, the regulator has failed. Check the regulator vacuum line for fuel too. Disconnect it from the engine and blow air though it. If you find gas, the regulator has failed.

5.) Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.
A.) A noid light available from any auto parts store, is one way to test the injector wiring.
The noid light plugs into the fuel injector harness in place of any easily accessible injector. Plug it in and it will flash if the injector is firing.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.
D.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
E.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
F.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.
G.) TPS voltage exceeds 3.7 volts with the throttle closed. This will shut off the injectors, since the computer uses this strategy to clear a flooded engine. Use a DVM, a pair of safety pins, and probe the black/white and green wires to measure the TPS voltage.
On a 94-95 Mustang, probe the black/white and grey/white wires to measure the TPS voltage.
It should be .5-.99 volts with the key on, engine not running. Note that if the black/white wire (signal ground) has a bad connection, you will get some strange readings. Make a second measurement using the battery post as the ground to eliminate any ground problems. If the readings are different by more than 5%, you may have a high resistance condition in the black/white signal ground circuit.

6.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.
A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
 
Ok, I went through that list. I have spark and I have already tried starter fluid in the throttle body and got a brief start. I tested voltage at the fuel injector harness and got 11.69 Volts.

I tested the IAB by holding the throttle at 1/4 and still no start. Timing should not have changed, nor firing order.

What else can I try? Could bad gas be the culprit since it was sitting awhile?
 
Does it have proper fuel pressure?
Do the injectors actually fire? Remember, the computer grounds the injectors to make them squirt, so seeing 12 volts at a given injector doesn't cover the bases.



Good luck.
 
Does it have proper fuel pressure?
Do the injectors actually fire? Remember, the computer grounds the injectors to make them squirt, so seeing 12 volts at a given injector doesn't cover the bases.



Good luck.


As I said, 40PSI at the fuel rail. As for the injectors. I just replaced them and when I check voltage, it is 12 Volts with ignition to on. I believe when the engine is turned over the voltage dropped. I know it didn't stay at 12V.
 
As I said, 40PSI at the fuel rail. As for the injectors. I just replaced them and when I check voltage, it is 12 Volts with ignition to on. I believe when the engine is turned over the voltage dropped. I know it didn't stay at 12V.

Sorry for having missed the FP note.

New injectors or not, you need to confirm that the injectors are firing. Because ether allows the car to start for a second, I'd want to just quickly check with a noid light or LED test light and make sure it flashes while cranking (there are several sensors which can keep injectors from firing, as well as wiring issues). It takes 30 seconds to do and can help.

The voltage across the injectors isnt super important as long as your battery isnt severely discharged (anything under a battery reading of 12.0 volts is quite discharged. 12.6+ volts is optimal).

Good luck.
 
Sorry for having missed the FP note.

New injectors or not, you need to confirm that the injectors are firing. Because ether allows the car to start for a second, I'd want to just quickly check with a noid light or LED test light and make sure it flashes while cranking (there are several sensors which can keep injectors from firing, as well as wiring issues). It takes 30 seconds to do and can help.

The voltage across the injectors isnt super important as long as your battery isnt severely discharged (anything under a battery reading of 12.0 volts is quite discharged. 12.6+ volts is optimal).

Good luck.

Ok, I'll pick up a noid light and see what the verdict is. At this point I'm thinking some kind of sensor has gone bad or the fuel is contaminated.

Thanks for the suggestions. My stepson is coming home next week and I'd really like to get his car started. I've done a lot of general maintenance replacements like fuel filter, air filter, distributer cap and rotor and new battery and I replaced his fuel injectors. While I had the intake off to replace the injectors, I also replaced his plugs and put on a nice set of Ford Racking valve covers. He ordered a new hood and replacement headlights, corner lights and turn signals, so I put them on too. Looks really nice, but it's not going to do much good if he can't drive it.
 
I know this seems kind of of unconventional way to do thing but try holding the gas pedal to the floor while starting then immediatly letting go if it does in fact start. I had a issue with the car just cranking and cranking and finally i did this and it fired right up, it turned out i had a defective fuel pressure guage and the fuel pressure was to high. GHive it a shot if you already havent> good luck
 
I know this seems kind of of unconventional way to do thing but try holding the gas pedal to the floor while starting then immediatly letting go if it does in fact start. I had a issue with the car just cranking and cranking and finally i did this and it fired right up, it turned out i had a defective fuel pressure guage and the fuel pressure was to high. GHive it a shot if you already havent> good luck

Actually I did try that. I tried the 1/4 throttle, pumping, full throttle, etc. The old carbureted ways of getting a car started..lol But like I said, I'm getting the right amount of fuel pressure.
 
Picked up a Noid light kit, but the one labeled for Ford does not fit the injection harness. Tried some of the others and they seem to fit, but doesn't even light up.

Also tried to pull codes from the computer, but doesn't appear to be working. The scanner doesn't flash like it is supposed to. Could the computer be bad?
 
Picked up a Noid light kit, but the one labeled for Ford does not fit the injection harness.
Tried some of the others and they seem to fit, but doesn't even light up.

Also tried to pull codes from the computer, but doesn't appear to be working. The scanner doesn't flash like it is supposed to.
Could the computer be bad?

Go back to the checklist. Make sure you have 12 volts on the red injector wires while cranking the engine.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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The computer has its own dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to it's
proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery. It is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long
by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire. You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness


See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95
wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ Everyone should bookmark this site.

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg

HVAC vacuum diagram
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/Mustang_AC_heat_vacuum_controls.gif

TFI module differences & pinout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/TFI_5.0_comparison.gif
 

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FIXED!! It was the computer. After verifying the old computer was getting power, put in a new one and she started right up.

Thanks for everyone's help and thanks to Jrichker for all the links and schematics. They really helped out.