Anyone running AFR 165's and the RPM2 intake?

[tjm73]

Sorry to be like that. I don't post a great deal, because I prefer to research what I say as often as possible prior to adding my two cents. My 68 vert is my fifth mustang. I am not an expert, but I am not a pleab either. I find that this forum, for the LARGE majority has solid members that truely want to help a fellow stanger out; not simply antagonize. But they add a spice to it as well. I just hope that our members realize that "if you dish it out, you better be able to take it." Thanks for the help all. I think I have the info that I needed.

Please post your results.

 

[68converted]

Please post your results.

Will do. Give me two more weeks and then I will bring back this beast of a thread and tell you how it all works out.

 

[2000xp8]

Dude, find something better to do with your time. I looked up some of your previous posts and you don't have anything positive to say about anything but what is on you car or what you dream to have on your car. I really don't care what you think, if you do. Try to consider that there are reasons, people do what they do other than "fad" or "cool" or "I say so, so I am right". Take the playground banter to another thread. I am asking for intelligent feedback here. And your verbal diarrhea is just not cutting it. I will try to explain this to you again. I am asking for input from drivers that have a similar setup. You have nothing close to what I have. Quit kicking the horse.

The Powerdyne is going to cost me the time it takes to get it off of the car, and some golf lessons. “Free” is a huge reason to do something. I don’t want a loud blower, (i.e. NOVI, Vortech or Paxton). I also don’t want to drag race; just add a LITTLE fun factor.

Interesting, i suggest things all the time that i don't have, nor may ever. There's more to it, than brand loyalty.
There is buying quality and buying it once, or there is buying junk and doing it twice.
FREE, doesn't mean it's good or worth the time, you could sell that POS powerdyne, and use the money towards a real supercharger, but that wouldn't be free, so you go ahead and enjoy yourself. When the belt lets go on you, make sure to come back and let us know, that now you have an underpowered charger, that you are wasting money on.

If my opinion is Biast it's because i've had many parts, and i know what works and what doesn't.

People here on stangnet do alot of stupid things, if i feel like pointing them out, i so will.

And if you had a clue you'd realize, that you can get a vortech that is quiet or loud. Your choice.

BTW, brand loyalty isn't always bad, it's only bad when you are suggesting a part because you have it, not because it works or is high quality.
I now economize with the best, i learned the hard way.

Look back at a few of my recent posts, see things i have suggested, like for heads, afr's 165, edelbrocks, TW's, i only have one of them. Don't feel afr's are worth more money, but they work.
Suggest Bassani headers, which i don't even have, but i wish i did.
Victor heads to someone, obviously i don't have those.
Eiback pro springs and tokico shocks to another person, yet more parts i don't have (anymore).
Suggest to grnlx, using an eaton posi when i have an auburn.
I guess your right about the brand loyalty.
So do more reading if you are going to accuse me of something.
Honestly the only things you'll see me speaking negatively about are, iron heads (especially e7's), mac and C&L products.

You want to turn this into an argument, i welcome that, but since you've so thoroughly read my posts you already knew that.

 

[tmoss]

Ok, so I will toss a wrench into the mix and say that I will be putting on a 6psi Powerdyne next summer. I plan to switch out the cam at the same time to a blower friendly grind.

I think the RPMII will work great for you with the blower......

 

[68converted]

I think the RPMII will work great for you with the blower......

With everyone's concerns and until I get the blower set up, (~March-April), I decided to design a custom ram air setup. I think it should have enough velocity/volume at spead to work nicely. I'm still not sure I need to do anything, but I figure it couldn't hurt.

Would I have to switch out the cam with only a 6psi boost? That question was tabled last night talking with some friends.

 

[EDC]

I'd go with the RPM II! He said it matched the AFR165 Ports PERFECTLY!! Kinda like they were meant to be mated with the 165's!

I think your buddy better recheck. Port alignment is not even close. The RPM2 is "much" larger in size. If you want to use that intake, be prepared to modify the heads...

Oh and if someone says to "gasket match them"... I think I'll just have them shot!

Blower combo? Go to the 185 heads and a Holley... It's fit is closer than the RPM2. Not saying I don't like the RPM2, I actually like it better than the Holley but it requires more than a "bolting on" to work with the oval port AFR heads...

Then again... WTF do I know...

Ed

 

[68converted]

I think your buddy better recheck. Port alignment is not even close. The RPM2 is "much" larger in size. If you want to use that intake, be prepared to modify the heads...

Oh and if someone says to "gasket match them"... I think I'll just have them shot!

Blower combo? Go to the 185 heads and a Holley... It's fit is closer than the RPM2. Not saying I don't like the RPM2, I actually like it better than the Holley but it requires more than a "bolting on" to work with the oval port AFR heads...

Then again... WTF do I know...

Ed

Ed, actually, I did the comparison from heads to intake, and they were only a 100th off. I used the gasket as a "matching" device. He he, thought you would like that. The head's port match the intake runners in shape, to at T. They are NOT oval, at least not at the opening. Are you sure we are taking about the same thing? Even if I had them "port matched" When the gasket is compressed it will take up a portion of that 100th anyway.

Maybe you can buy me out of all of my parts (they are all brand new, how about retail + 15%) and then I can get all the stuff you suggest.

I'll just stick to what I have.

 

[EDC]

Ed, actually, I did the comparison from heads to intake, and they were only a 100th off. I used the gasket as a "matching" device. He he, thought you would like that. The head's port match the intake runners in shape, to at T. They are NOT oval, at least not at the opening. Are you sure we are taking about the same thing? Even if I had them "port matched" When the gasket is compressed it will take up a portion of that 100th anyway.

Maybe you can buy me out of all of my parts (they are all brand new, how about retail + 15%) and then I can get all the stuff you suggest.

I'll just stick to what I have.

I am porting a Perf RPM2 as we speak and its port opening is nearly .090 taller and .060 wider than the AFR 165 intake port. The corner radii are .15 on the intake and .21 on the heads. Not a good match at all. You've definitely got me confused as to why yours line up!

As for the "oval" shape, look at all the other Ford heads and then your AFR's. They are definitely not rectangular as much as they are oval...

Ed

 

[tmoss]

Me too Ed, but I took him at his word on alignment..

 

[68converted]

Now you have me wondering what the heck is going on. When I laid the fel-pro gasket on the heads and then on the intake to check fit there was only a 100th on each side on the width of metal showing around each piece, the intake had an additional 100th (total from both sides) on the width axis that I measured for each port. (maybe a couple thousandth's off at the corners) but virtually unnoticeable. The long axis on both was exactly 2.0" with no overlap. I just found the worksheet that I wrote up when I did the build to get these numbers. Strange???

The gaskets were fel-pro #1250 The heads were part number #1472- 165's/60cc pedestal (Street Legal). I got the intake last year around June. I can't imagine they would have changed anything with the mold in that time. Maybe I got an over sized intake???

But honestly, it is a better fit by a longshot from the original heads and intake. With a decent understanding of flow dynamics (Physics minor at college), I am ok with the intake having smaller exits than the head openings. Especially since the heads have wide open intake bowls. The opposite would cause me to be more concerned.I am not racing it so I am sure that all will be golden. Thanks for the concern, I appriciate your expertise.

On a side note, the standard Performer intake suggested by a few is WAY smaller at the exits (in tenth's anyway) than the Performer II. I would have to port the Perf. intake a ton to even get close to the fit out of the box from the Perf. 2. And then, aren't we just back at the same thing, less the kick ass technology of the Perf. 2?

 

[tmoss]

Yes, the Performer or original RPM need to have the lower runners ported to flow up to the potential of those heads. Your runners being just smaller than the head runners is a good arrangement.

 

[70Mav]

"C&L's are a joke, why do you think 90% of cars 11's and quicker never use them, because as you add power they get more innaccurate, this comes from the mouth of a person that has run many cars on a dyno. C&L's work correct in like 1 of 5 cars, and for every person that has their car run right they think everyone gets the same results.

Only thing C&L does right is make the right contributions to the magazines.

Funny, you pay $200 and what do you get? A piece of round metal with a hole in it." 2000xp8





I guess my car is the 1 in 5 that works correctly and the 10% that runs in the 11s with a C&L meter. 11.75 @ 116 with AFR 165s, Typhoon, Trick Flow Stage 2 cam, and all the normal bolt ons. I have used the meter on all of my combos so far and its worked well each time. Even the stock heads cam and intake setup that was well into the 12s.

Wait, E7 heads cant go 12s, you have to have After market heads to do that, Oh and a Pro M meter to go 11s.

2000xp8 seems to make lots of recomedations for someone that has no track #s on his own car.

 

[2000xp8]

2000xp8 seems to make lots of recomedations for someone that has no track #s on his own car.

Yup i do, i've spent enough time with guys that run daily at E town, and at a shop that has built hundreds of 5.0 liter mustangs, take the advice or leave it. Your choice.
You'll also find that i'm not the only one that dislikes C&L. You can note that in many other posts that dyno operators tell people to ditch the meters, i'm guessing pro m paid them off.
I never said NONE work well.
Your car seems to run some real nice numbers.

Nobody said E7's don't go 12's, i've seen them go 110mph, doesn't mean they were worth the time or money. Maybe 15 years ago when there was no aftermarket heads but not now.

Not sure who you are with 6 posts, but there was no need to bring me back into this post. I'll assume ome C&L advocate linked you. Thanks for stopping by.

 

[5spd GT]

2000xp8 - Your obviously bias and listen to big daddy to much and try to sell his suggestions...

Also, post count don't mean a thing in general. I know what you were getting at...

Quit showing persuasive biaism and you won't have these problems.

 

[2000xp8]

2000xp8 - Your obviously bias and listen to big daddy to much and try to sell his suggestions...

Also, post count don't mean a thing in general. I know what you were getting at...

Quit showing persuasive biaism and you won't have these problems.

Listen, i don't need to sell anything. Dyno tuners don't like c&l meters, i said this a page ago. I've also said that the person that really dislikes them is a dyno tuner, and that BD is NOT. Many shops will NOT install C&L meters, it's more of an internet part. I know if you also go to loraccos they also tell you to lose the C&L.

It has nothing to do with Bias. It has to do with what i know works, if you know otherwise you do so.
Even so, Would you really considering following one thing he said to be bias?
So what i say he likes FMS 347's, but i don't say others are bad, just give one example of whats good.
What else since you know me so well?

And is there such thing as listening to a guy too much that has pretty much all the pushrod knowledge there is? I listen to him because i get to see his handy work in person. If you counted the active 5.0 members here, he's worked on that many cars. In fact that's all he's worked on for the last 17 or so years.
BTW, he uses many different combos on many different cars, there's plenty of parts he'll use, but some he will not.
As i said take the info or leave it, you don't like my opinion, ignore it.

You love c&l so much, sell your pro m and get one.

And if you think these "problems" bother me, wrong again, i'm pretty amused by it.

One more thing, post count does matter, when you show up, for 2 posts according to his profile, and they are both directed towards me.
http://forums.stangnet.com/search.php?searchid=943072

 

[5spd GT]

2000xp8 - Lol....

 

[vikingpower]

So how does an AFR intake runner opening compare to one on a TW? From reading this I think I might have to have my lower ported even more to match my TW's... it looked that way when I put the heads on but I didnt have time to take care of it