I seen a lot of threads that look like people are so frustrated after buying one of these. It's like they bought this "thing" that was supposed to make life easier and tuning less expensive in the long run. Seems like they end up playing with it endlessly getting even more frustrated and nearly need a masters in tuning. Not downing it just a curious observation. Anyone have some insight?
Anyone sorry they bought a tweecer? Lots of head-banging going on..
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If anyone wants to unload an R/T for cheap (as a reflection of their frustration), send it my way. 
Seriously Poka, I bet if you post some specific issues or problems, the gurus (the TwEECer Grad school professor, for one) can help you out.
Good luck and hang in there.
Seriously Poka, I bet if you post some specific issues or problems, the gurus (the TwEECer Grad school professor, for one) can help you out.
Good luck and hang in there.
Zero Signal
Active Member
Best money I've spent on the car so far. Yes I play with it endlessly, its fun. Lots of head banging going on here, but that's from listening to too much Slayer.
Labora
Founding Member
The things we now know about Ford's pcm programs have been hacked out by various peeps. 
The EEC Tuner was one of the first interfaces to allow everybody to make pcm changes.
The Tweecer came later and is similar to the ET but with more datalogging options.
The Tweecer, like the ET, is a tool that allows you change values in the pcm with no frills or user friendly features. That basic no frills concept keeps the cost down.
So here is how things are with those two tuning options.
You got the knowledge of Ford's pcm operation available to you on the www and various books.
You got the interface to make the changes.
Its up to you to put the two of them together for your very own custom tune.
For the most part, peeps that see that opportunity feel that is enough for them to get started and they learn as they go.
Most peeps don't waste time trying to put something together like an instruction book as the info is already out there.
It is a mind set more than anything else and if you see yourself as having that kind of mind set then the Tweecer just might be an option for you.
If one doesn't see himself with that kind of mind set .....................
Other tuner interfaces like PMS and such offer some user friendly features but those do come at a higher cost to you.
bottom line ......................
The Tweecer to some can be a source of frustration.
To others it is a challange that they know they are up to. They also know that as their knowledge builds they have more and more control of their Stang's tune.
I have had a lot of fun learning about how that little silver box does its thing and using that stuff I learned to tune my Stang.
Grady
The EEC Tuner was one of the first interfaces to allow everybody to make pcm changes.
The Tweecer came later and is similar to the ET but with more datalogging options.
The Tweecer, like the ET, is a tool that allows you change values in the pcm with no frills or user friendly features. That basic no frills concept keeps the cost down.
So here is how things are with those two tuning options.
You got the knowledge of Ford's pcm operation available to you on the www and various books.
You got the interface to make the changes.
Its up to you to put the two of them together for your very own custom tune.
For the most part, peeps that see that opportunity feel that is enough for them to get started and they learn as they go.
Most peeps don't waste time trying to put something together like an instruction book as the info is already out there.
It is a mind set more than anything else and if you see yourself as having that kind of mind set then the Tweecer just might be an option for you.
If one doesn't see himself with that kind of mind set .....................
Other tuner interfaces like PMS and such offer some user friendly features but those do come at a higher cost to you.
bottom line ......................
The Tweecer to some can be a source of frustration.
To others it is a challange that they know they are up to. They also know that as their knowledge builds they have more and more control of their Stang's tune.
I have had a lot of fun learning about how that little silver box does its thing and using that stuff I learned to tune my Stang.
Grady
I had a Tweecer R/T unit. Now with a PMS. I was bit overwhelmed with the Tweecer. This was years ago and now there is more info out there. I'm an idiot so I went with a PMS. Couldn't deal with the whole laptop in the car thing either. I like the Nitendo handheld unit.
HISSIN50 said:If anyone wants to unload an R/T for cheap (as a reflection of their frustration), send it my way.
Seriously Poka, I bet if you post some specific issues or problems, the gurus (the TwEECer Grad school professor, for one) can help you out.
Good luck and hang in there.
I don't have one yet which is why I am asking.
"Other tuner interfaces like PMS and such offer some user friendly features but those do come at a higher cost to you."
Makes more sense now. Tweecer is like ..dos and PMS is more like windows.
bjl95mustang
Founding Member
I think the people that didn't like the tweecers didnt have a good idea on whats involved in tuning with one. It's not a plug and play thing and it takes some time to get the learning curve.
Just be sure of what your getting into. You can download the software from www.tweecer.com and go through it and see whats involved.
I have no complaints with mine and it got my 418 on the road with minor changes.
Just be sure of what your getting into. You can download the software from www.tweecer.com and go through it and see whats involved.
I have no complaints with mine and it got my 418 on the road with minor changes.
BlueOvalStangGT
Active Member
I kinda am because I cant drive my car like I wish I could but I know once I get the hang of it it will be worth it, hopefully.
CManT1914
New Member
I like the twEECer, but yes it's very frustrating for me, because I don't know hardly anything about tuning. 
But it has helped out with a lot of stuff already, so it's worth it, if you are dedicated. If you are the type to take the easy way out of things, then don't get it.
But it has helped out with a lot of stuff already, so it's worth it, if you are dedicated. If you are the type to take the easy way out of things, then don't get it.
Gotta do your research and play with it. Its not, unfortunatly, plug it in and all problems are fixed From what I have seen, my PMS is a hell of a lot easier to use, but at first I was still like WTF. I got the hang of it rather quickly. Now I can make changes while i'm on the highway doing 70 
From what I have seen, my PMS is a hell of a lot easier to use, but at first I was still like WTF. I got the hang of it rather quickly. Now I can make changes while i'm on the highway doing 70 
WhiteDevil
New Member
Just for my own knowlege, Do the PMS and Tweecer work the same way? Like i know the Tweecer uploads a whole different file and it uses that to control the EEC. But does the PMS just intercept and change the EECs commands to what you want it to do? Its hard for my to write this out, lol.
WhiteDevil said:
When not in standalone the PMS adds/subtracts to the stock eec. When in standalone, eec has zero control and the entire tune is based on the PMS. On my pre 04 PMS, AFM says with a correctly calibrated pro m 80mm maf the target a/f is 12.8:1 and 25* total timing. The odds of having the a/f perfect with zero tweeking is slim to none. I had to add a bit of fuel on mine. In mine you can change the rev limiter from 4000 (i think) to 9400 rpm. The new 04+ PMS has a bit more features and you can tune in 500 rpm increments. Standalone can be turned on at any rpm for fuel or timing starting at 2000 rpm where as my PMS it only comes on at 4000.
WhiteDevil
New Member
Ok that is kinda what i thought. So now the Tweecer is when you have a tune loaded into the Tweecer the computer only uses that correct?
I barely know what Im doing with the TwEECer, but yet I still do NOT regret it, especially with the AODE... It already helped me when I upgraded the injectors while keeping the same MAF. I helps my cooling by allowing fan settings. It get rid of my CE light by eliminating the EGR. It will help alot in the future when I get my Boost cooler and change the timing.
For a little more than the price of a new chip, it's well worth it, esp for us AODE guys.
RC
For a little more than the price of a new chip, it's well worth it, esp for us AODE guys.
RC
Redsnk95
Founding Member
The TwEECer essentially "reflashs" the EEC settings, which the EEC uses those settings to control the car.
The PMS intercepts the signals going into and out of the EEC and changes those signals.
Troy
The PMS intercepts the signals going into and out of the EEC and changes those signals.
Troy
a50sn95
Founding Member
Hell no. Just listen to it idle....
(I made that recording yesterday, and I've played it 10 times myself...)
(I made that recording yesterday, and I've played it 10 times myself...)
The TwEECer essentially "reflashs" the EEC settings, which the EEC uses those settings to control the car. -redsnk95
Actually, I know a bit about puters. Sounds to me like that is a more efficient method than "intercepting" the signals "on-the-fly." Thanks for the posts guys, I am going to check out the PMS also. Really, I think it is a great idea that you can limit the rpms with these tuners in case you HAVE to drop it at the shop for some reason and some Ahole wants to try and rag on it.
Actually, I know a bit about puters. Sounds to me like that is a more efficient method than "intercepting" the signals "on-the-fly." Thanks for the posts guys, I am going to check out the PMS also. Really, I think it is a great idea that you can limit the rpms with these tuners in case you HAVE to drop it at the shop for some reason and some Ahole wants to try and rag on it.
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