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darkhorse02

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^ +1 I have two Fusions. Love them both!
 

BurningRubber

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danongentry said:
I'm surprised the list wasn't made up entirely of Chryslers. My wife had a 99 concorde for about a year, then I noticed some white smoke coming out of the tailpipe. Then the oil started to get nice and milky. SOOOO I traded that piece in for a 98 mustang gt. Seems like every chrysler I've seen since then has had the same white smoke coming from their exhaust. Really wouldn't surprise me if it was a company wide problem....if Daimler's German engineers can't manage to make Chrysler vehicles work better, then Chrysler is F-U-C-T.
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Yeah Chryslers, especially 90's models seem really troubled.

Luckily, my Jeep has held up allright. Most of the stuff on it has allready broken and its fine now.

Come to think of it, the main parts that didnt break were the non-Chrysler ones!!!





Engine = AMC

Trans = Asin Warner (same as Supra tranny)

Transfer case = NP

Axles = Dana and Chyrsler... but the Chrysler 8.25 is stout.
 
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Fastwrx15

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Best: Being a Master Subaru Technician for very many years I know
for a fact that all Subaru's are the best most dependable/reliable
vehicles on the market.If the correct maintenance is done on time like
30K services,oil changes,air filter changes etc. your Subaru will last
a very long time.At my shop we actually have a lack of vehicles coming
in for service.These vehicles resale value is excellent and they are one
of the top ten vehicle manufacturers to hold their value over a five
year period.I would seriously consider purchasing a Subaru!

Worst: The vehicles I have seen have the most lemon buybacks are
the Ford Taurus and the Ford Focus.They are the worst coming from
a technician's point of view.I have never heard anything good about
Ford or Dodge.
 
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CENTENNIALSTANG

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Fastwrx15 said:
Best: Being a Master Subaru Technician for very many years I know
for a fact that all Subaru's are the best most dependable/reliable
vehicles on the market.If the correct maintenance is done on time like
30K services,oil changes,air filter changes etc. your Subaru will last
a very long time.At my shop we actually have a lack of vehicles coming
in for service.These vehicles resale value is excellent and they are one
of the top ten vehicle manufacturers to hold their value over a five
year period.I would seriously consider purchasing a Subaru!

Worst: The vehicles I have seen have the most lemon buybacks are
the Ford Taurus and the Ford Focus.They are the worst coming from
a technician's point of view.I have never heard anything good about
Ford or Dodge.
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HMM why do WRX transmissions suck worse than the tr3650
 
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Fastwrx15

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CENTENNIALSTANG said:
HMM why do WRX transmissions suck worse than the tr3650
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You are actually DEAD wrong and that is nothing but
a false and despicable rumor.
Coming from someone how actually works on these vehicles
the WRX manual transmission failure happens because the
majority of the owners DO NOT know how to properly shift
the tranmission,ride their clutch,grinding by not properly shifting,
abusing/mistreating,powershifting,making to much horsepower/
torque than the transmission can handle,and purposely trying to
damage their transmission to get a new one under their warrarty.
It is actually a great transmission if you know how to properly use it
and know what it is capable of.I train all my technicians how to look
for signs of abuse or unauthorized modifications causing the transmission
to fail.
The Sti transmission is practically bullet proof and is alot stronger and can
hold more horsepower and torque than the transmission in the WRX.
Since your so smart why do Ford Mustang owners have so many problems
with the T-3650 transmission enlighten me?
 
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bdcardinal

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agree with fastwrx. the t45 in my mustang sucked. hell the M66 trans in my volvo is annoying me.
 

BurningRubber

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Fastwrx15 said:
Best: Being a Master Subaru Technician for very many years I know
for a fact that all Subaru's are the best most dependable/reliable
vehicles on the market.If the correct maintenance is done on time like
30K services,oil changes,air filter changes etc. your Subaru will last
a very long time.At my shop we actually have a lack of vehicles coming
in for service.These vehicles resale value is excellent and they are one
of the top ten vehicle manufacturers to hold their value over a five
year period.I would seriously consider purchasing a Subaru!

Worst: The vehicles I have seen have the most lemon buybacks are
the Ford Taurus and the Ford Focus.They are the worst coming from
a technician's point of view.I have never heard anything good about
Ford or Dodge.
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Is there really a Subaru heaven like in that commercial? That would be sweet.

They are nice cars but my brother busted the trans. in his WRX and I dont even want to mention the repair bill.

He wasnt abusing it, he took great care of the car. It was used so it could have seen alot of abuse before he bought it, but it seemed well taken care of.

I agree that they are reliable cars, and they have probaly the best sounding 4 cylinder around...







Wait a minute... you arent Pennywise2 are you?!?!?!
 
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CENTENNIALSTANG

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Fastwrx15 said:
You are actually DEAD wrong and that is nothing but
a false and despicable rumor.
Coming from someone how actually works on these vehicles
the WRX manual transmission failure happens because the
majority of the owners DO NOT know how to properly shift
the tranmission,ride their clutch,grinding by not properly shifting,
abusing/mistreating,powershifting,making to much horsepower/
torque than the transmission can handle,and purposely trying to
damage their transmission to get a new one under their warrarty.
It is actually a great transmission if you know how to properly use it
and know what it is capable of.I train all my technicians how to look
for signs of abuse or unauthorized modifications causing the transmission
to fail.
The Sti transmission is practically bullet proof and is alot stronger and can
hold more horsepower and torque than the transmission in the WRX.
Since your so smart why do Ford Mustang owners have so many problems
with the T-3650 transmission enlighten me?
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Ya thats what the WRX guys say on the forums "wrx owners don’t properly shift their tranny" ya maybe a few I understand but thousands of them break come on man it’s a crappy tranny. The STis are pretty much bullet proof you are right on that. And a turbo back exhaust and cobb stage 2 on a wrx that’s not that much of a power jump to be breaking trannys.

TR3650 breaks because the clutch cable loosens up over time due to power shifting or rough shifting then the synchros break.

Enlighten me why a 13 second wrx owner is on a mustang forum
 
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CENTENNIALSTANG

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BurningRubber said:
Is there really a Subaru heaven like in that commercial? That would be sweet.

They are nice cars but my brother busted the trans. in his WRX and I dont even want to mention the repair bill.

He wasnt abusing it, he took great care of the car. It was used so it could have seen alot of abuse before he bought it, but it seemed well taken care of.

I agree that they are reliable cars, and they have probaly the best sounding 4 cylinder around...





Wait a minute... you arent Pennywise2 are you?!?!?!
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Might be i remember that pennywise guy he had a bad ass rex. I believe he had a thread about spending 30k on the sti or wrx

to bad it still wouldnt beat mine
 
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chefalan23

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danongentry said:
I'm surprised the list wasn't made up entirely of Chryslers. My wife had a 99 concorde for about a year, then I noticed some white smoke coming out of the tailpipe. Then the oil started to get nice and milky. SOOOO I traded that piece in for a 98 mustang gt. Seems like every chrysler I've seen since then has had the same white smoke coming from their exhaust. Really wouldn't surprise me if it was a company wide problem....if Daimler's German engineers can't manage to make Chrysler vehicles work better, then Chrysler is F-U-C-T.
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jeeps are the only chrysler products i would buy. chrysler just doesnt do well with fwd. my dad had a LHS and a 300m. both had failing fwd. his 300m actually grinded when it shifted, and it was an automatic. here's my list for poorly made cars (in no particular order)

1. pontiac fiero
2. pontiac sunbird
3. eclipse/talon/laser
4. chevy cavalier
5. isuzu rodeo
6. mitsubishi montero (i always see them smoking)
7. tpi camaros
8. geo anything
9. hyundia anything
10. daewoo anything
 
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Fastwrx15

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CENTENNIALSTANG said:
Ya thats what the WRX guys say on the forums "wrx owners don’t properly shift their tranny" ya maybe a few I understand but thousands of them break come on man it’s a crappy tranny. The STis are pretty much bullet proof you are right on that. And a turbo back exhaust and cobb stage 2 on a wrx that’s not that much of a power jump to be breaking trannys.

TR3650 breaks because the clutch cable loosens up over time due to power shifting or rough shifting then the synchros break.

Enlighten me why a 13 second wrx owner is on a mustang forum
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First of all don't you dare insult my intellegence child.
I know more about Subaru's that you will ever know.
Yes all Subaru's are some of the best vehicles on the market right now
rather Ford owners like it or not and have great resale value too.
I belive the "TR3650" has failure issues because of how it was manufactured
and the Ford Mustang owners that decided to abuse/mistreat their transmissions.
Also having spock to two senior lemon adjusters today you can add
Toyota,Lexus,and Scion to your best list along with Subaru.
 

the98stang

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Fastwrx15 said:
First of all don't you dare insult my intellegence child.
I know more about Subaru's that you will ever know.
Yes all Subaru's are some of the best vehicles on the market right now
rather Ford owners like it or not and have great resale value too.
I belive the "TR3650" has failure issues because of how it was manufactured
and the Ford Mustang owners that decided to abuse/mistreat their transmissions.
Also having spock to two senior lemon adjusters today you can add
Toyota,Lexus,and Scion to your best list along with Subaru.
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Subapoo's can lick my balls. They only make one model that sells and the rest are complete sh1t. You were banned for a reason...

Pennywise
 
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97speedster

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Fastwrx15 said:
Best: Being a Master Subaru Technician for very many years I know
for a fact that all Subaru's are the best most dependable/reliable
vehicles on the market.If the correct maintenance is done on time like
30K services,oil changes,air filter changes etc. your Subaru will last
a very long time.At my shop we actually have a lack of vehicles coming
in for service.These vehicles resale value is excellent and they are one
of the top ten vehicle manufacturers to hold their value over a five
year period.I would seriously consider purchasing a Subaru!

Worst: The vehicles I have seen have the most lemon buybacks are
the Ford Taurus and the Ford Focus.They are the worst coming from
a technician's point of view.I have never heard anything good about
Ford or Dodge.
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So if Subapoops are as superior as you say then what exactly is a Master Subapoop tech? If they truly are superior then the only thing that should have to be done to them is change the fluids and add gas. So does that in fact truly mean you are an service station attendant/ jiffylube tech? DO we even want to say the word "BRAT".
 
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CENTENNIALSTANG

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Fastwrx15 said:
First of all don't you dare insult my intellegence child.
I know more about Subaru's that you will ever know.
Yes all Subaru's are some of the best vehicles on the market right now
rather Ford owners like it or not and have great resale value too.
I belive the "TR3650" has failure issues because of how it was manufactured
and the Ford Mustang owners that decided to abuse/mistreat their transmissions.
Also having spock to two senior lemon adjusters today you can add
Toyota,Lexus,and Scion to your best list along with Subaru.
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no matter what u say you still suck
and im glad you know more about subarus thats really great


 
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hskrs10

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97speedster said:
So if Subapoops are as superior as you say then what exactly is a Master Subapoop tech? If they truly are superior then the only thing that should have to be done to them is change the fluids and add gas. So does that in fact truly mean you are an service station attendant/ jiffylube tech? DO we even want to say the word "BRAT".
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So what I did last night changing my oil, I could have been a Subapoop Tech?
 

danongentry

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If you add windshield wiper fluid that certifies you as an engineer.
 
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chefalan23

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there are a lot of STUPID TECHS. all they are good for is replacing parts. there are some that have some knowledge, and have worthwhile opinions, but most are stupid greasemonkeys. by the way, if you have such a hard on for subaru's , why are you on a mustang site?
 
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Fastwrx15

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Vehicles to add to the worst list.
1.Kia
2.Suzuki
3.Hyundai
4.Ford is not to far behind these vehicles either.
 

Pearl02

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Look, when I posted thsi thread it wasn't my intention to cause a "pissing" match between the members. I do realize that this is the talk section. However, we can keep it civil. I do agree with Fastwrx15, the T3650 tranny had some desigh issues. It was enough of a problem for call to recall them. I never abused mine and it had the terrible first to second gear grind. This only happened in cold weather. Not all Ford owners are abusing thier trannys. I also believe that not all Suburu owners are abusing thier trannys. I know a guy that has a 06WRX. It's a good looking car. We compliment each other about our cars. We both have a appreciation for fine cars. Trying to compare a WRX to a Stang is crazy. I say this again, NO ford vehicle made the list. I believe there was 10 car company on the list based on car models. Pearl02
 

bonestock87

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Someone mentioned Cavy's and Sunfire's being junk. I would normally agree, but it's hard to argue since my daily driver is a '95 Sunfire 5-speed and has 165,000 miles with no troubles. Owned it since new. I Change the oil religiously and I keep it looking decent. I check the gas mileage with EVERY tank so I can pinpoint the moment I start to have trouble. Last tank I got 32 mpg, very typical. My sister followed me in it down to Florida for spring break and on one tank got 37 mpg! Heck of a little car so far.
 
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