Black Brake Moan

[CarMichael Angelo]

I know, it sounds like a movie that should have a sex starved Christina Ricchi, and Sam Jackson in it,..but in reality it's not. (and my brakes aren't black either)

But they do "moan",........ especially the passenger side front.

I have Cobra Calipers on 13" rotors on SN 95 spindles, and that side moans like hell. Is it beacause there's someting wrong w/ the isolation pads on back of the caliper, or is it worse?

 

[NIKwoaC]

My rear Cobra brakes moan from time to time, but that is because I don't have antimoan brackets. Never heard of front brake moan problems with these brakes.

 

[RangerJoe]

Are Mach 1 brakes the same as Cobra brakes? I believe they are. If so, a buddy of mine who owns a Mach 1 just recently got this fixed. They mechanic who fixed it told him it was a re-occuring problem in those brake setups....I forget what he did to fix it. I will try to ask next time I see him.

Joe

 

[stang&2Birds]

It depends somewhat on the pads. Also, IMHO, there's a lot of slop in the calipers/pins/bracket.
Considering that I had death trap 10" '86 brakes and my M2300K kit has gone past 10 years and 40K miles, without any problems other than the noise, I'll live with the "noisy" brakes. Mine kinda "clunk" in the morning sometimes when I first drive it. It's not a big clunk by any means. But, IMHO, I shouldn't hear/feel any noise form the brakes. And, IMHO, most people wouldn't notice it. I notice every noise and creak in my Stang.

 

[stang&2Birds]

Are Mach 1 brakes the same as Cobra brakes? I believe they are. If so, a buddy of mine who owns a Mach 1 just recently got this fixed. They mechanic who fixed it told him it was a re-occuring problem in those brake setups....I forget what he did to fix it. I will try to ask next time I see him.

Joe

All 95-2002 Mach1, Bullitt, and Cobra brakes are the same. Yes, I know they only made some of the models only some years.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Are the '94 Cobra's red headed stepchildren or something?

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

It depends somewhat on the pads. Also, IMHO, there's a lot of slop in the calipers/pins/bracket.
Considering that I had death trap 10" '86 brakes and my M2300K kit has gone past 10 years and 40K miles, without any problems other than the noise, I'll live with the "noisy" brakes. Mine kinda "clunk" in the morning sometimes when I first drive it. It's not a big clunk by any means. But, IMHO, I shouldn't hear/feel any noise form the brakes. And, IMHO, most people wouldn't notice it. I notice every noise and creak in my Stang.

It's only happening on one side,..but considering that this side has been off already for a defective hub swap, and it was doing it before and after the swap...it's gotta be something w/ this side caliper/pad assy. I bought the premium carbon metallic pads when I put this thing together, so again,....I just don't know.

 

[Mustang5L5]

Moaning is harmonics...meaning something there has some very slight movement.


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[RangerJoe]

Are Mach 1 brakes the same as Cobra brakes? I believe they are. If so, a buddy of mine who owns a Mach 1 just recently got this fixed. They mechanic who fixed it told him it was a re-occuring problem in those brake setups....I forget what he did to fix it. I will try to ask next time I see him.

Joe

I talked with my friend last night. He described the noise he was hearing as a "rattle". The mechanic replaced the pads with Ford pads and it went away. Claimed that the tolerances in aftermarket pads are way off. Dunno....this is what he told me.

Joe

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

OK, time to rekindle this because I just tried to fix it and it's still doing the same thing:

Took the caliper off and separated the pads from the caliper. I sanded the face on the pads and sanded the face of the rotors w/ some 80 grit emery cloth in the hopes that they were somehow glazed, and that was the source of the noise.
I test drove the car, and for the first 15 mins or so,...I couldn't hear it. ( I also went very easy on stopping as well). After getting gas, I drove it like I normally do and there it was,..... a harsh, metallic resonating groan, noticeable when I go around a corner hard, and when barely applying the brakes, most of the time coming from the right front. Any pressure harder than light, and that noise goes away.
I looked at the brackets to see if the rotor was flexing and making contact w/ the bkt, but no evidence of that. It has to be the pads vibrating in the bracket when they are loose enough right before a normal stop. (as in not being pressed hard against the rotor)
I have another set of late model two piston calipers, and in design, they appear to be way superior to the SN 95 system, but they are a "core" set at best. Are they interchangeable on the SN 95 spindle? they look like they are.

 

[Boosted92LX]

You might check that the universal phase detractors are synchronized with the cardinal gram-meters. The modular interaction of the magneto reluctance and capacitive reactance could be influenced by the prefamulated amulite, but that's a rare occurrence.

The most likely thing is that the two spurving bearings are no longer aligned with the panametric fam. This will create a binding in the hydrocoptic marzel veins, and that would obliterate the girdle spring, which as you know, keeps everything in its place, and without it would induce uncontrollable moaning.

... sorry, had to.

 

[MFE92]

You might have a worn hub bearing assembly on that side.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

You might check that the universal phase detractors are synchronized with the cardinal gram-meters. The modular interaction of the magneto reluctance and capacitive reactance could be influenced by the prefamulated amulite, but that's a rare occurrence.

The most likely thing is that the two spurving bearings are no longer aligned with the panametric fam. This will create a binding in the hydrocoptic marzel veins, and that would obliterate the girdle spring, which as you know, keeps everything in its place, and without it would induce uncontrollable moaning.

... sorry, had to.

Speaking of moaning,............If you saw my mom,...you'd change the last line in your sig




Just sayin'

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

You might have a worn hub bearing assembly on that side.

Already changed it.
This happens when I'm rolling into a cruise night as well....... just barely tapping the brakes, keeping it at a creep,............MMMMMMMOOOOOAAAANNNNNN!!!!

 

[90stang5speed]

not sure where you got your pads from but, I used to work at autozone part time for a while & they have CMAX ceramic pads. one of the selling point we were supposed to give customers is they were autozones quietest pads because they are ceramic & more importantly, they have a "special" compound on the back of the pads to absorb vibration and quiet the moaning. Kind of an expensive guess though if it doesn't fix anything

 

[93project]

What brand/type of pads?? I have Performance Friction carbon metallic pads and they're quiet on the car, but moany and noisy on my 03 2500hd.. pad material can cause it ..
What supposed special compound do cmax pads have?

 

[93project]

Side note mike... thanks for .reminding me of the pre surgery christina ricci... mmmm!

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

not sure where you got your pads from but, I used to work at autozone part time for a while & they have CMAX ceramic pads. one of the selling point we were supposed to give customers is they were autozones quietest pads because they are ceramic & more importantly, they have a "special" compound on the back of the pads to absorb vibration and quiet the moaning. Kind of an expensive guess though if it doesn't fix anything

Well I spoke w/ my mechanic ( The guy that I work w/ at Carmax) and he is about as good a Ford certified ASE as it gets.
I have autozone rotors (the 55.00 ea.Chinese ones) and the Cmax Carbon Metallic pads. He suggested that I change out the Rotors for a Good set Like the $110.00 ea Raybestos units A/Z sells that the harmonic will disappear.

We'll see. I am exchanging the cheap ones for the better ones tommorrow.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

So I go back to AutoZone today W/ my chinee rotors and pads in hand at lunch.

I exchange my old stuff, pick up the new "American made" Raybestos Slotted rotors ($110.00 ea) only to find that I cannot make this a one stop shopping trip. The AutoZoner says the only pads they have is some iteration of the duralast brand. Sorry Jeeves I say, you'll have to give me my money back on the pads because after this last go round,...I ain't buyin' no Duralast pads.

So he does.
Off I go to Oreillys.

Dude there seems knowledgeable enough, and tells me that his information stipulates that Cobras actually came w/ a semi metallic pad,...and that despite the fact that there are ceramic pads at the top of the product line,..he suggests that I replace my old ceramic pads w/ the cheaper, semi metallic as called for by the OEM.
So who am I to argue?
I pay the whopping 35.00 for the set, and come back home to install the stuff.

I get to looking at the box the rotors come in, and to my disgust I discover that even the 110.00 ea. Raybestos rotor have "Made in China" stamped on them. But they were "finished" in the U.S.A.

Whadya gonna do? I put them on.

Now, I'm not gonna tell you how this story turns out, cause I still gotta fix the heater core and I am not gonna put the car back on the ground just yet.
But they look like they are gonna be quiet, so that'll have to do for now.....pig.

 

[fiveohwblow]

Geez... What kind of crazy car are you putting these on? It looks... Different. Like top ten list different...