Cammer 5.0?

[svtash]

Ive been thinking of just leaving my car stock at least till the warranty is up and then maybe just throwing the Cammer 5.0 in it at a later date. I know it would not be cheap but sounds like it would be a safer way to get 400+ hp than throwing a supercharger on the stock internals. I know they made a mustang with one it it already. I was woiundering if anyone knew how easily it fits in the engine compartment and how easily it mounts? Can it be fairly easy to change or will it take some fabrication as well? Think it would be great to have a 420hp n/a beast in the stang.

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[joshman1204]

It takes a fair amount of fabrication and custom parts to make the 5.0 cammer motor fit in an 05 stang. You can get much more power for a lot less money by just using a fully built 4.6l motor. A cammer is going to run somewhere aroud 12-15k and you could easily get a fully built 4.6l to roughly 500-600hp for that amount of money.

 

[TGJ]

I have heard but have not verified this, that the 05 GT block is Aluminum. If this is true, a 5.0L Big-Bore could be a cheaper option which is what the 5.0L Cammer is.

 

[bigcat]

the reason ford will NOT put this motor in production vehicles is because of reliability issues and longevity. i will not spend $14k on an engine that is known to be unreliable. i would rather build what i got for less than half, and if it goes, i am still better off. dont have to fab anything up!

 

[351CJ]

I have heard but have not verified this, that the 05 GT block is Aluminum. If this is true, a 5.0L Big-Bore could be a cheaper option which is what the 5.0L Cammer is.

Say what?

The 5.0 Cammer has an aluminum block too.

 

[TGJ]

Say what?

The 5.0 Cammer has an aluminum block too.

I am not sure what you are trying to ask? Anyway, the 5.0L Cammer is an Aluminum Big-Bore. Now if what I heard is true about the 05 4.6L Mustang GT motor, a Big-Bore would be a cheaper way of getting the results he is looking for than spending the money on the Cammer.

I realize I may have caused some confusion with the initial post and somebody might think I am referring to the Ford GT supercar, which I was not.

 

[alfman9]

I am not sure what you are trying to ask? Anyway, the 5.0L Cammer is an Aluminum Big-Bore. Now if what I heard is true about the 05 4.6L Mustang GT motor, a Big-Bore would be a cheaper way of getting the results he is looking for than spending the money on the Cammer.

I realize I may have caused some confusion with the initial post and somebody might think I am referring to the Ford GT supercar, which I was not.

Im still confused.

I thought the 5.0l cammer was a bored 4.6 with dohc heads. If that is the case it should be an easy fit so long as the bigger heads clear.

 

[svtash]

the reason ford will NOT put this motor in production vehicles is because of reliability issues and longevity. i will not spend $14k on an engine that is known to be unreliable. i would rather build what i got for less than half, and if it goes, i am still better off. dont have to fab anything up!

Wow I didnt realize it was that much. I thought it was about 8k or so. Nevermind the cammer then. That is retarded to pay that much for that engine for only 420 hp. I thought they were pretty good engines tho built with all the sturdiest materials.

 

[TGJ]

Im still confused.

I thought the 5.0l cammer was a bored 4.6 with dohc heads. If that is the case it should be an easy fit so long as the bigger heads clear.

You are correct with your thinking. The stock Bore of a 4.6L is 3.552", the 5.0L cammer bore is 3.7" AKA the "Big-bore". What a person can do is re-use their heads and such but have the block bored out to 3.7" inches. This is a cheaper alternative to get the displacement of the cammer and not have to change much.

Ford in the 2005 FRPP catalog wants $3100.00 for the 5.0L Cammer block, my assembled Big-Bore shortblock is not that much more.

 

[TGJ]

Wow I didnt realize it was that much. I thought it was about 8k or so. Nevermind the cammer then. That is retarded to pay that much for that engine for only 420 hp. I thought they were pretty good engines tho built with all the sturdiest materials.

FRPP catalog has the 5.0L Cammer listed at $14,995.00. This is almost double what my 5.0L Big-Bore 2V is going to cost me.

 

[DukeOfValencia]

why not wait until the 07 cobra comes out. Then you can buy a 5.4 crate motor (with or without a supercharger), and Ford will already have all the necessary conversion parts available...
I think that's a better option.

 

[cleveland]

How bout this...

You cant swap the block anyways, you live in California, remember?

-Dan

 

[joshman1204]

LOL...

if you truly want to swap your motor with a cammer then check out www.seanhylandmotorsports.com and they should be able to help you out.

 

[TGJ]

LOL...

if you truly want to swap your motor with a cammer then check out www.seanhylandmotorsports.com and they should be able to help you out.

Sean Hyland is very expensive and many people have been ripped off by him. Stay far away from there.

 

[DukeOfValencia]

How bout this...

You cant swap the block anyways, you live in California, remember?

-Dan

I'm not an expert, but I understand that you can swap the engine as long as the engine is from the year or a newer year than the car. The necessary smog equip must be on the car then you take it to a referee station...
the cammer probably won't pass the ref, but since the 07 cobra engine will be a regular production engine, you just need to make sure all the smog equipment goes with it and that the referee will approve it...
I will give you that passing the referee isn't always easy...

 

[351CJ]

I am not sure what you are trying to ask? Anyway, the 5.0L Cammer is an Aluminum Big-Bore. Now if what I heard is true about the 05 4.6L Mustang GT motor, a Big-Bore would be a cheaper way of getting the results he is looking for than spending the money on the Cammer.

I realize I may have caused some confusion with the initial post and somebody might think I am referring to the Ford GT supercar, which I was not.

Now I think I understand what you are gettinng at.

The aluminum block Mod motors use cylinder liners.
To increase the bore on a 4.6 you can either bore the present liners or put in new liners.

The Cammer 5.0 supposedly uses some high tech thin liners. Because they are so thin, they will NOT meet Ford's durability requirements for a new vehicle. This is why the Cammer 5.0 is sold only aftermarket (plus it doesn't meet emissions requirements). The expectation is that people who build up these sorts of cars don't put many miles on them.

In any case, I've seen from a couple sources that the most you can bore the standard liners on a 4.6L is +2.0 mm before you completely compromise their strength.

Going +2mm would give you 4.81 L. If you also put in a +2 mm stroker crank that would bump you up to 4.9L (300 CID).

 

[JonRoberts]

It takes a fair amount of fabrication and custom parts to make the 5.0 cammer motor fit in an 05 stang. You can get much more power for a lot less money by just using a fully built 4.6l motor. A cammer is going to run somewhere aroud 12-15k and you could easily get a fully built 4.6l to roughly 500-600hp for that amount of money.

Really shouldn't be that much modification because the five-o Cammer is based on the 4.6block a aluminum version . R50 in which incorporates the the Ford GT cylinder heads, that is why the fr500 intake is needed, this motor is not stroked, they bored it and kept the stock stroke the stock Kellogg Terminator crank, the two blocks along blocks in that matter are pretty much identical and the same size fitment shouldn't be a problem

 

[Olivethefet]

You know.... the last time anyone responded to this thread was 14 years ago....