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ceramic headers get so hot they glow

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I have a 84 5.0 347 rebuilt engine, yesterday I drove it, all off a sudden rpms shot up 2,000 and wouldnt go down, I got home lifted the hood and the ceremic headers were glowing red, why
 

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Lean?
 

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Timing is to advanced
 

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Yep, timing, that'd be my guess. Mike
 

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I recommend checking that the distributor didn't come loose as first place to look.
 

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carb or EFI?
 
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Timing is to advanced
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which way do I turn the distributor and do I set it to 0 degrees
 
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Flavadave4 said:
Lean?
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lean means what
 
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Flavadave4 said:
Lean?
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so headers are not supposed to get that hot
 

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Set it to 10 degrees and advance it till it starts pinging. I wouldnt go much past 14 degrees tho
 
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jrichker said:
carb or EFI?
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efi
 
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90lxcoupe said:
Set it to 10 degrees and advance it till it starts pinging. I wouldnt go much past 14 degrees tho
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10 degrees with way
 
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90lxcoupe said:
Set it to 10 degrees and advance it till it starts pinging. I wouldnt go much past 14 degrees tho
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which way crank goes left or right when I use timing light and wich way is advance , and if rpms too low just udjust it
 
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Another thought I would check the fuel pressure, it is set to low it can cause a lean condition
 

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Does this engine have an injector for each cylinder or 1 or 2 mounted up near the throttle body?

The first step in diagnosing 5.0 Mustang fuel injected engines is to dump the codes. Codes may be present even if the CEL (Check Engine Light) is not on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 

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I know this goes against everything we have been taught, but I had the exact same problem on my SN. It through absolutely no codes. Turns out I had a bad wire on one of my 02s and it was making the car run pig rich causing the headers to glow.

Kurt
 
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