code 41 91 and 21 results HELP!

bills93notch

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ok i ran the tests per hissman and j richker for codes 41 amd 91and heres the results

29 pin left hand O2- 600 millivolt down to 200 millivolt to 0 millivolt back to 600

43 pin right hand o2 fluctuates between 180 and 199 millivolts these were all done with the car at operating temps

the code 21 ECT test wats1.27 volts at operating temps outside temp eas 39 degrees

any idfeas bad o2's or ect????? car still backfires bad
 
a update maybe one of you guys can shed some light on this i narrowed the backfire down to the passenger side exhaust pipe when i snap the throttle it backfires out of that pipe only any suggestions?
 
RH O2 sensor is in need of replacement. The ECT voltage reading is low: you should be seeing more than 3 volts with the temp below 68 degrees.

Voltages may be measured across the ECT/ACT by probing the connector from
the rear. A pair of safety pins may be helpful in doing this. Use care in doing it
so that you don't damage the wiring or connector.

Here's the table :

68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61
 
JR is right-on.

I also would not be too happy with the left hand O2 reading. If you goose the throttle, does the reading's amplitude increase?

When a temp sensor reads a bit off during a voltage test, I like to check the resistance across the sensor terminals (with the sensor disconnected), as it removes any wiring issues from the equation.

Good luck.
 
sorry about the stupid question i checked the resistance with the 2000k scale on my craftsman digital voltmeter i got 49 ohns at the connector my garage is 40 degrees also one question with the backfiring on one side (passenger) is it possible one sparkplug is bad or cracked?
 
49 Ohms is a bit off AFAIK. Even 49K ohms is a bit off. Let's wait for JR - I believe he has said that testing thermistors can be a bit off at low sensor temperatures. Since I live in the desert, I end up testing them at the other extreme - I havent tested them 'cold'.

It's entirely possible that you have a plug or plug wire issue if it backfires on one side. If it does this at idle, a cylinder balance test (if not already performed) *might* reveal a cylinder to look at.

Good luck.
 
The Probst book only gives values down to 50 degrees. At 50 F, you should see 58.75 K ohms or 3.52 volts +/- %10. Volts are measured across the sensor with the wiring connector plugged into the sensor, key on, engine off. Ohms are measured across the sensor with the wiring connector disconnected, engine off, key off.

Cylinder balance test:
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a
jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start
the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then
quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed
2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about
1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each
injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors,
it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder
such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to
2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures.
Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is
weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop
manual for the complete test procedure

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire
or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter.
I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

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See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
OR
See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections,
see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a
typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so
at Walmart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/detailedproductdescription.asp?3829 – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes
or beeps.. Cost is $33.

Do a compression test on all the cylinders.
Take special note of any cylinder that shows up as weak in the cylinder
balance test. Low compression on one of these cylinders rules out the
injectors as being the most likely cause of the problem. Look at cylinders
that fail the cylinder balance test but have good compression. These
cylinders either have a bad injector, bad spark plug or spark plug wire.
Move the wire and then the spark plug to another cylinder and run the
cylinder balance test again. If it follows the moved wire or spark plug,
you have found the problem. If the same cylinder fails the test again,
the injector is bad. If different cylinders fail the cylinder balance test,
you have ignition problems or wiring problems in the 10 pin black &
white electrical connectors located by the EGR.

How to do a compression test:
Only use a compression tester with a screw in adapter for the spark
plug hole. The other type leaks too much to get an accurate reading.
Your local auto parts store may have a compression tester to rent.
If you do mechanic work on your own car on a regular basis, it would
be a good tool to add to your collection.

With the engine warmed up, remove all spark plugs and prop the
throttle wide open, crank the engine until it the gage reading stops
increasing. On a cold engine, it will be hard to tell what's good &
what's not. Some of the recent posts have numbers ranging from
140-170 psi. If the compression is low, squirt some oil in the cylinder
and do it again – if it comes up, the rings are worn. There should be
no more than 10% difference between cylinders. Use a blow down
leak test (puts compressed air inside cylinders) on cylinders that
have more than 10% difference.